Right on Anthony, There is a difference between talk and action.  Some of 
them come and even get ham tickets.  73
Ed  K7UC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anthony Vece" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: This has nothing to do with ham radio


> You tell them Ed.
> This world would be lost without us and our Yankee know how.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 12, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Ed Malmgren <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Sure is funny why so many people come to the U S A from Canada for health
>> care then.  Go figure.
>> Ed  K7UC
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: This has nothing to do with ham radio
>>
>>
>>> absolutely.
>>> Cuba has one of the best health care systems on earth for their general
>>> population.
>>> there might be allot of other things wrong with cuba, but their health
>>> care
>>> is second to none.
>>> I would venture to guess that the US is the only industrialized, first
>>> world
>>> country that doesn't have a national health care system by which all
>>> residents are treated to adequit and timely medical care without having 
>>> to
>>> pay for it directly.
>>> Obviously taxes support a national health care system, but at least in
>>> other
>>> countries, you don't have to pay your taxes, and pay for medical care on
>>> top
>>> of that.
>>> The american way seems to be pay, pay, and pay some more, and still not
>>> receive adequit service or care.
>>> I would say that a country more interested in trillion dollar wars may 
>>> not
>>> see a good healthcare system for their population as a priority.
>>> Canada didn't always have a healthcare system either, but the one we 
>>> have
>>> now, though always problematic as any large national organization is, is
>>> adequit and timely as far as care goes on the front line.
>>> No one must pay out of pocket, or go into debt to stay healthy or to
>>> receive
>>> care for an illness.  Or, stay sick because they can't pay.
>>> We pay our federal and provincial taxes, and that is enough to provide
>>> basic
>>> human needs for us.
>>> what is the point in having a government, if that government won't even
>>> assist the general population with basic human needs? sooers, running 
>>> and
>>> clean water, land, safety and security, healthcare, education and
>>> employment.
>>> those are absolute basics, and implementation of programs to meet those
>>> needs doesn't fall under the definition of socialism.
>>> Any government who is put in charge of a society or population can be 
>>> said
>>> to be socialist to one extent or another.
>>> Socialism seems to be a catch all phrase for anything americans don't 
>>> like
>>> about federal programs.  Throw up that red flag named socialism and
>>> everyone
>>> starts thinking about the soviet union, cuba, china, and the eastern
>>> block.
>>> social programs does not equal communism, two totally separate things.
>>> Capitalism and the "american way" can thrive and still do very well 
>>> under
>>> a
>>> higher level of "socialist" style programs and services.
>>> You pay less as a citizen, and you have more opportunities for education
>>> and
>>> healthcare and employment.  where is the negative here?
>>> 73
>>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Howard Kaufman" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: This has nothing to do with ham radio
>>>
>>>
>>>> They said the same thing about President Trumann.  Let's wait thirty
>>>> years
>>>> and then judge.
>>>> The Health Care Reform act is a bad law, but it's a start to put us on 
>>>> a
>>>> par
>>>> with other industrialized nations.  The problem is it doesn't reform 
>>>> the
>>>> system.  Money is made by curing catastrophic illnesses, not by
>>>> preventing
>>>> them.  Where do you think the brightest minds in medicine go?  Right to
>>>> specialization rather than to primary care.
>>>> America has the best health care in the world, that is if you have a
>>>> million
>>>> dollar illness like cancer.  Your child has a higher statistical chance
>>>> of
>>>> living to the age of five in Cuba than he or she does by being born in
>>>> America.
>>>> We fiddle while Rhome burns.
>>>
>