the tuner on the Icom IC-703 and 703+ will tune a good bit wider swath than 
that---up to 8to1.  They don't advertise it as such, but many many owners 
have found it so.  The 703 reflector and some reviewers have instances 
outlined.  I had one of those rigs for about a year, and that tuner _is 
amazing. Danny Dyer, Wb4idu.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for a blind friendly antenna tuner?


> the auto tuner in a radio can't be used with an amp anyway, it would have 
> no
> effect what so ever. The amp would still have the nice mismatch. I've 
> never
> heard of an internal tuner, especially the relay ones that would tune
> anything higher than 3:1 so if you want to tune something higher than that
> you probably want something external but I'd tent to opt for an antenna
> that's under 3:1 on the bands you use.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "tom behler" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Looking for a blind friendly antenna tuner?
>
>
>>    With all due respect, I agree with what Howard is saying here.
>>
>> I have found the auto-tuner in the TS480 to be very forgiving.
>>
>> I do use a manual tuner as well, but only when using my Ameritron Al811H
>> amplifier, since the auto-tuner in the TS480 would probably be vaporized
>> with the higher power level.
>>
>> 73 from Tom Behler:  KB8TYJ
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Howard Kaufman" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: Looking for a blind friendly antenna tuner?
>>
>>
>> What does a signal to noise ratio have to do with a tuner?
>> The tuner in the 480 will tune anything under 8-1.  They have no idea 
>> what
>> they are talking about!