Angel, the reason we don't believe Catholic teaching, and I was
raised Catholic, is because they aren't in the Scriptures. You are
stretching the cloud of witnesses statement and taking it out of context.
earlier, Angel, wrote:
>I am not angry,, I apologize if it seems that I am,. I just can't
>understand for the life of me why protestants find it so hard to
>believe in some Catholic teachings, such as those claiming the
>Saints are interceding for us constantly in heaven, and that they
>constantly are with us on earth watching over us with our personal
>angels. They being the cloud of witnesses of which Saint Paul
>spoke, and they so easily accept something they read from a book
>shelf. Almost as if it were gospel itself? It seems to me,
>protestants will bee almost willing to believe anything from almost
>anyone who claims it to be true. Some are almost as bad as those
>who believe the shroud of Turin is real. When Saint Paul didn't
>even recount what he saw in heaven, and don't you think he would
>have at least raved about how he saw Saint Steven there. If he saw
>him. Because, we know he suffered from the guilt over the part he
>played in his martyrdom, if he saw him in heaven. Why should I
>believe any modern recounts of heavenly experiences. When, in order
>for A Saint to be canonized, two miracles must be verified as having
>been done by that Saint. It is those recounting from such Saints as
>Paul and John in whom I put my trust concerning heavenly
>accounts. I ask, what is the litmus test to which you all have put
>this recounting from this young man whom no one on the list knows
>personally? Now I am not saying the experiences themselves aren't
>real experiences. I am just saying why I don't believe they should
>be taken at face value. Only God knows whether those experiences
>weren't hallucinations. My late husband suffered from a load of
>those. Each of which seemed perfectly real to him. I know what they
>were too, because he spoke each he saw.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Bell" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:56 AM
>Subject: Re: Angel, Please first read Heaven is for real: a little
>boy's astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.
>
>
>>Hi All,
>>I haven't read the book yet, but I intend too. My first reaction to
>>what I'm reading is that this family needs our prayers, and
>>compassion.
>>Any book that talks about miracles should be weighed against scripture,
>>but it seems like what happened to this little one is
>>meant to encourage us.
>>I haven't walked on water, or raised the dead, but God has saved my
>>life more than once, and the testimonies from these events have lead
>>people to salvation, which is what really matters.
>>We'll know the book by it's fruit. Angel, I'm sorry you seem so angry.
>>Blessings,
>>Donna
>>On 7/23/14, Phil Scovell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>Then tell us everything that is theologically wrong with this miraculous
>>>experience. I get the feeling you don't want to read this little book and
>>>I'm wondering why. Why do you want to argue what you believe when you
>>>haven't read this book of a little boy's testimony confirmed by Scripture
>>>from beginning to end. Are you worried it might challenge some of your most
>>>closely held beliefs?
>>>
>>>Phil.
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