Well, John, I guess there's only one way to find out.  I'm quite happy with 
my Ultralite on 75 and 40, but I think I can do better on the higher 
frequencies with a vertical.  I used to run one on 20 several years ago, and 
I liked the way it worked, but that antenna required radials and I don't 
want to mess around with them.  Too much work to get them set up properly, 
and too much chance of having them get caught in a lawn mower, etc.

Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 08:12
Subject: Re: Vertical antennas


> It may be worth a try then. I only mentioned that because I've known a lot
> of people who think a #10 peace of wire is enough and it really isn't, if
> you're running it as a counter poise with a artificial ground or 
> something,
> that's enough but for a real ground, it's not and for a vertical with no
> radials, you really really need a good ground. I could never run a 
> vertical
> that way here, I'm in a second floor apartment, all I could do is the
> counter poise setup I had at my last QTH, but I've been running it with no
> station ground at all and it's been working fine so I'm not going to mess
> with it. I don't care for the G5RV, after running the cobra Ultralite for 
> a
> while but I don't have a choice here, cobra won't fit on the property.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Dresser" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 11:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Vertical antennas
>
>
>> John,
>>
>> I have a rather thick piece of insulated copper wire running from the
>> ground
>> point in the shack to the ground rods.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>