actually, the newer ones the ladder line is 19 feet shorter than the older 
ones were, when I got mine and I'm told that's because they did find that's 
a magic number to make it work better. If you look on the site, I think the 
ladder line's about 81 feet now instead of the 100 it used to be.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Dresser" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: some thoughts on 17 meters for next week's net


> Interesting.  I thought about doing that, but didn't want the performance 
> to
> suffer on other bands.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 15:07
> Subject: Re: some thoughts on 17 meters for next week's net
>
>
>> I've run it there, it works very well for most of the band, I have 
>> trouble
>> at the very bottom of the band with the tuner in the radio but beyond
>> that,
>> I've run it there and it's playing decent. I know others doing it as 
>> well.
>> What's funny is, I trimmed about 20 feet off the ladder line and I think
>> it
>> actually plays better on 160 now than it did before I did that.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve Dresser" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: some thoughts on 17 meters for next week's net
>>
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Have you tried the Ultralite on 160?  I've tried tuning mine there, but
>>> it's
>>> very touchy and I'm not sure it will work very well.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:45
>>> Subject: Re: some thoughts on 17 meters for next week's net
>>>
>>>
>>>> the cobra ultralight is 160 as well, the senior version, if you google
>>>> it,
>>>> you can find info on it. It's 160 through 10, I love mine.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: some thoughts on 17 meters for next week's net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What is cobra ultra-lite?  I'm thinking of the alfa delta as I'm
>>>>> wanting
>>>>> to try 160 as well.
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Butch Bussen
>>>>> wa0vjr
>>>>> open Node 3148
>>>>> Las Vegas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, John Miller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd say cobra ultralite would get you better results but that might 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> stretch for the land you have, that's noticeably better than my g5rv
>>>>>> was.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:18 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: some thoughts on 17 meters for next week's net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had a g5rv here, but I run a magnus amp at times and the g5rv 
>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> tuner for the amp to work.  I didn't have them both up at the same
>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>> but I didn't see much difference when I took the g5rv down and put 
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> the b and w.
>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>> Butch Bussen
>>>>>>> wa0vjr
>>>>>>> open Node 3148
>>>>>>> Las Vegas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, John Miller wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why not put up a g5rv or something? if the center is high enough
>>>>>>>> form
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> ends, it will fit in a 100 foot  yard.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:48 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: some thoughts on 17 meters for next week's net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a gap vertical, which was better yesterday.  I also have a 
>>>>>>>>> b
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> w all band, I call it my dummy load with wires.  It is a 
>>>>>>>>> compromise
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> know, but My lot here is only 100 feet deep.
>>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>>> Butch Bussen
>>>>>>>>> wa0vjr
>>>>>>>>> open Node 3148
>>>>>>>>> Las Vegas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Gerry
>>>>>>>>> Leary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you have for an antenna?
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: some thoughts on 17 meters for next week's net
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't believe my station sucks that bad, but I only heard one
>>>>>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't even know where he was located.  I finally gave up.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know if it is propogation, my location or all of the above, but
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>> discouraging here in Las Vegas.
>>>>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>>>>> Butch Bussen
>>>>>>>>>>> wa0vjr
>>>>>>>>>>> open Node 3148
>>>>>>>>>>> Las Vegas
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>