You tell them Ed.
This world would be lost without us and our Yankee know how.

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On Sep 12, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Ed Malmgren <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Sure is funny why so many people come to the U S A from Canada for health 
> care then.  Go figure.
> Ed  K7UC
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:33 PM
> Subject: Re: This has nothing to do with ham radio
> 
> 
>> absolutely.
>> Cuba has one of the best health care systems on earth for their general
>> population.
>> there might be allot of other things wrong with cuba, but their health 
>> care
>> is second to none.
>> I would venture to guess that the US is the only industrialized, first 
>> world
>> country that doesn't have a national health care system by which all
>> residents are treated to adequit and timely medical care without having to
>> pay for it directly.
>> Obviously taxes support a national health care system, but at least in 
>> other
>> countries, you don't have to pay your taxes, and pay for medical care on 
>> top
>> of that.
>> The american way seems to be pay, pay, and pay some more, and still not
>> receive adequit service or care.
>> I would say that a country more interested in trillion dollar wars may not
>> see a good healthcare system for their population as a priority.
>> Canada didn't always have a healthcare system either, but the one we have
>> now, though always problematic as any large national organization is, is
>> adequit and timely as far as care goes on the front line.
>> No one must pay out of pocket, or go into debt to stay healthy or to 
>> receive
>> care for an illness.  Or, stay sick because they can't pay.
>> We pay our federal and provincial taxes, and that is enough to provide 
>> basic
>> human needs for us.
>> what is the point in having a government, if that government won't even
>> assist the general population with basic human needs? sooers, running and
>> clean water, land, safety and security, healthcare, education and
>> employment.
>> those are absolute basics, and implementation of programs to meet those
>> needs doesn't fall under the definition of socialism.
>> Any government who is put in charge of a society or population can be said
>> to be socialist to one extent or another.
>> Socialism seems to be a catch all phrase for anything americans don't like
>> about federal programs.  Throw up that red flag named socialism and 
>> everyone
>> starts thinking about the soviet union, cuba, china, and the eastern 
>> block.
>> social programs does not equal communism, two totally separate things.
>> Capitalism and the "american way" can thrive and still do very well under 
>> a
>> higher level of "socialist" style programs and services.
>> You pay less as a citizen, and you have more opportunities for education 
>> and
>> healthcare and employment.  where is the negative here?
>> 73
>> Colin, V A6BKX
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Howard Kaufman" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: This has nothing to do with ham radio
>> 
>> 
>>> They said the same thing about President Trumann.  Let's wait thirty 
>>> years
>>> and then judge.
>>> The Health Care Reform act is a bad law, but it's a start to put us on a
>>> par
>>> with other industrialized nations.  The problem is it doesn't reform the
>>> system.  Money is made by curing catastrophic illnesses, not by 
>>> preventing
>>> them.  Where do you think the brightest minds in medicine go?  Right to
>>> specialization rather than to primary care.
>>> America has the best health care in the world, that is if you have a
>>> million
>>> dollar illness like cancer.  Your child has a higher statistical chance 
>>> of
>>> living to the age of five in Cuba than he or she does by being born in
>>> America.
>>> We fiddle while Rhome burns.
>>