thought this was a ham radio related list, not a political discussion list?
remember, politics and religion makes friends into enemies and make people 
say things they should sometimes keep to themselves in public forums, as on 
the air.
we can all agree to disagree when ever we want, but we certainly can't start 
slamming other countries and their social programs in favor of our own, at 
least, not on the air or on a list such as this.
73
Colin, V A6BKX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anthony Vece" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: back home


> Anybody who wants socialized medicine should pack there bags and go to a
> country that provides it.
>
> Then, see how much better off you will be.
>
> This is why people from other countries come here for major surgery.
>
> And, if they work the system right, they get free health care as soon as
> they cross the border.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Howard Kaufman" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: back home
>
>
>>I hear the fears, their will be unintended consiquences, both good and 
>>bad.
>> More of routine and primary health care will be provided by health
>> educators
>> and nurses.  We have a Dr./God culture, where we expect Dr.'s to heal
>> rather
>> than advize us.  Change is always scarey.  People fought against unions,
>> minimum wage, banking reform, the end of slavery, ending child labor,
>> civil
>> rights, environmental protection, and many other changes that today those
>> positions are undeffensible.  We'll have to see, and modify the system as
>> we
>> go.  The sad thing is this is a bad solution, because the issue of cost
>> containment, isn't addressed.  We have very difficult issues to address 
>> as
>> a
>> society, and an environment which is seen as Satin versus the Messiah,
>> which
>> is which depends on which side of the isle you are on.  This kind of
>> attitude lead to the bund, and millions of Jews being left to die in
>> Europe,
>> because of the opposition to opening our doors to them.  It took Pearl
>> Harbor to get us in to that War, if that attack hadn't happened, it isn't
>> inconceavable, that all of Europe would be speaking German today.  The
>> fear
>> belittlement, and polarization are the greatest enemies we face today.
>> Everybody is trying to do what is best for the country, or at least that
>> is
>> what we pay them to do.  We don't pay them to keep or to get their own
>> political party in to power.
>