Also - rendered fats can be stored for a long, long time as long as 
you've gotten all the water out. Pemimcan lasts decades.

Ron Hoggan, Ed. D. wrote:
> Hi Geoff, 
> Nope. I'm not talking about a shoreline theory. I'm talking about the data
> presented in both books I cited. They are written by Stephen Oppenheimer and
> explore genetic data. 
>
> Can you give me some sources on lean sea mammals? What about lean fish and
> seafoods? 
>
> Humans made their way from Africa to Australia at least 60,000 years ago,
> but they wouldn't have the ability to catch deep water fish? 
> Sorry. That stuff smells like used oats and I'm not buying. 
>
> If humans hunted, killed, and ate wooly mammoths and other large grazing
> animals they would have gotten lots of fats from the marrow of their
> enormous bones, their brains, etc. The reason it is relevant to our
> discussion is that it was a plentiful source of fats year-round. Even the
> horses and aurochs that you assert as the staples of the Paleolithic diet in
> Europe would have large bones with lots of fatty marrow. North American
> Natives used wasteful buffalo jumps to kill large numbers of bison. They set
> up primitive rendering plants on the spot and rendered the precious marrow
> fat right away. They dug pits, lined them with hides, and filled them with
> water. They smashed the buffalo bones and added them to the water. Then they
> built a fire surrounded by rocks. When the rocks were hot, they were rolled
> into the pits to heat the water. This caused the fat to rise to the top and
> be skimmed off. 
>
> Best Wishes, 
> Ron 
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Geoffrey Purcell
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:43 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Paleo Diet offers the net-base balance needed
>
> Ah, you're talking about the shoreline-theory. I'd forgotten about that one.
> It seems to be a sort of compromise between the aquatic ape and the standard
> theory. Still, I do know of plenty of Palaeolithic sites which are based far
> inland(albeit probably never too far from rivers).
>
>  
>
> Last I checked, seafood is generally viewed as very lean. The only exception
> are deepwater fish but those presumably wouldn't have been caught in palaeo
> times, given the lack of ships, until recent times.
>
>  
>
> Re claims:- The claim that in palaeo times, there were large mammals with
> higher fat-content which then died out isn't relevant, really. For one
> thing, wild horses and wild aurochs(the ancestors of modern cattle) were
> staples of the Palaeolithic diet, at least in Europe, and they are still
> around today with the same levels of fat(if grassfed).
>
>  
>   
>> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:18:15 -0700
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Paleo Diet offers the net-base balance needed
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>> Hi Geoff, 
>> Both of Oppenheimer's books offer considerable genetic evidence for the
>> spread along coastal areas. The beachcombing lifestyle is an assumption
>> based on that. As Oppenheimer explains, due to rising sea levels
>>     
> world-wide,
>   
>> the archaeological evidence is submerged and essentially inaccessible. He
>> doesn't even mention the aquatic ape theory. His focus is on genetics and,
>> to a lesser extent, language evolution. 
>>
>> If you will refer back to my post, I didn't say that our forebears ate an
>> exclusively sea food diet. I said that they ate a predominantly sea food
>> diet. The aquatic ape theory may not enjoy popularity but that is hardly a
>> valid criticism of its tenets. Nonetheless, the theory is too polemic for
>> me, as I just can't believe that all of our primate forebears lived even a
>> semi-aquatic life. 
>>
>> The site you recommended, along with the language of that recommendation,
>> are just too polemic for me. I'm interested in evidence, personal
>> experience, rational deductions, or anything else that might lead me to a
>> richer understanding. I'm not interested in rants and loaded rhetoric. 
>>
>> Aquatic mammals, crustaceans, and fish all contain considerable and
>>     
> diverse
>   
>> fats. Large land animals contain considerable fats in their brains and
>>     
> bone
>   
>> marrow, regardless of season. 
>>
>> Your criticism of high fat is cyclic. I addressed that in my post by
>>     
> saying:
>   
>> "The fact that Cordain has found that muscle meats from contemporary,
>>     
> wild,
>   
>> ruminant game animals contain specific fat profiles that are problematic
>>     
> for
>   
>> human health suggests that: 1. we evolved eating some other kind of food;
>>     
> 2.
>   
>> The fat composition of this kind of meat has changed through extinction of
>> the large ruminants that carried much more fats, or; 3. current beliefs
>> about healthy fat profiles are flawed."
>>
>> Best Wishes, 
>> Ron
>>     
>
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