Hi John,

How do you feel about having a remote system operated over the Internet?
I see that new Kenwoods can be attached to big antennas out in the
country and the operator can sit in his city apartment as long as he is
in front of his Internet connected computer.

 This discussion reminds me of a ham I knew years ago.  Back in the 70s,
directory assistance calls were free - Am I showing my age?
One New Year's Eve he phoned directory assistance all over the country
and claimed he had Worked All States on his telephone.
  
Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: For blind ham radio operators
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Miller
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:31 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Echolink VS real radio

I just jump on 75 meters if I want to talk, always someone there in the
night. Depending on where you look, there have been 10 meter groups
around here on most of the night too though I don't know if they are
still or not, I'd somehow doubt it. My dog complains if I keep him up
too late talking on the radio. lol  he sleeps in here.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Kwan" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Echolink VS real radio


> I'm not even talking now about echo link verses radio but during the 
> wee hours of the morning when I can't sleep and noone is on the radio 
> at all, I can find someone to talk to. It's too easy to look to see 
> who's on line and what repeaters are active. Yeah I know I can do 
> other internet chat things and texting and such, but sometimes I just 
> want to talk to another ham friend. I'm guarantied that on echo link. 
> Yes I know ham people use other chat clients but I'm just referring to

> echo link right now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Dresser" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:19 PM
> Subject: Echolink VS real radio
>
>
> John,
>
> I know what you're saying, and I would agree if someone exclusively 
> used Echolink and never set up a station of any kind.  However, in my 
> example, that isn't the case.  We would like nothing more than to use 
> radio exclusively, but it just isn't possible.  You and I happen to be

> lucky enough to have stations right now, but I've been in situations 
> where it just wasn't possible, and can certainly understand and 
> appreciate that others may be in similar circumstances.  I've heard 
> similar arguments regarding the use of repeaters, but I notice that 
> many of those who spoke against their use were doing so on a repeater.

> It makes me wonder how many of them were a little insecure about their

> own operating skills, or maybe they just liked beating up on other 
> hams.  In my opinion, Echolink is just another aspect of the hobby, 
> which I can use (or not) as I see fit.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:59
> Subject: Re: Introduction
>
>
>> How can it be radio when 99% of the contact isn't over radio? 
>> computer is not radio, looking at the so-called internet radio 
>> stations_ and what not I realize no one knows the difference these 
>> days but the fact is, that's ham computer, not ham radio. Like I tell

>> 1 of the local clubs people who are too lazy to setup an HF station 
>> or upgrade their licenses doesn't make echolink radio, it makes it 
>> ham radio's version of welfare. There's always a way to setup a 
>> station, it may have to be hidden with indoor antennas or what ever, 
>> but there is always a way and if there isn't, and the person wants to

>> get on ham radio, it's time to find another alternative weather it be

>> setup your HF station somewhere else and remotely control it with the

>> computer, where the radio still does most of the work and you have 
>> full control of it, move, setup a mobile station,what ever. I know 
>> people who've done all of those things to get around it with success.
>> I dunno, I guess a lot of people look at it different than I do, but 
>> a lot see it my way too and that's what I like to see. In fact 
>> looking at a survey on the arrl site a couple months ago, the 
>> majority look at it like I do.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Dresser" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: Introduction
>>
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I think it's a bit of an over-reaction to say that Echo Link is 
>>> "anti radio."  On most Sunday mornings, a group of us in the Boston 
>>> area have a schedule with a friend of ours in New York city.  We use

>>> a local repeater, but our friend connects to the repeater through 
>>> Echo Link.  Since he doesn't have room for an HF station in his 
>>> apartment, and several others in the group are in similar 
>>> situations, I think it's perfectly reasonable for us to use Echo 
>>> Link to maintain our schedule.  The only alternative is using the 
>>> telephone, which would mean that none of us used our radios.  To me,

>>> that's a lot more anti radio than using Echo Link.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>