Well, G.O. I wonder then just how you account for our society's
transformation into the needy little consumers we have become.
Also I wouldn't equate free will with choosing Jung or Reich over Freud.
How were we convinced we needed any of them? That would be an interesting
story.
According to Gurdjieff we have no will free or otherwise which, although I
no longer participate, do subscribe to. Very much like his idea that we have
no soul except one that is earned and developed.
We need a salon on a regular basis to bat these ideas around.
In 'A Good Talk' by Daniel Menaker, he talks about around the 1600s there
were coffee shops where for a penny you could join in conversation read
newspapers & periodicals and of course drink coffee. The link below is Rae's
review.
http://www.heraldnews.com/lifestyle/x979447666/Book-Notes-Breaking-down-a-co
nversation-in-A-Good-Talk

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> From: Gabriel Orgrease <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: The listserv where the buildings do the talking
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:27:40 -0500
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] The Last Thing We Ever Needed
> 
> On 2/9/2010 11:44 AM, John Leeke wrote:
>> Of course, The Thing is right at the bottom of the Fast Cheap Good
>> triangle, Fast things Cheap.
>> 
>> If you want to understand why you want The Thing watch the 4-part BBC
>> series Century of Self.
> John,
> 
> It is interesting to me that you mention this documentary as I watched
> it in entirety a week or so ago. I agree that it is an experience to
> recommend. I found it interesting though I also feel that the underlying
> thesis was too simple of a narrative for me to accept it as all
> encompassing. Granted that we are always dealing with a world saturated
> with a media that works to create a sense of need where there may have
> never been one before, we do have the free will to shut the noise off
> and go do something else. For example instead of a Freudian psychology
> we can follow Jung or Reich.
> 
> I also worry that these sorts of expositions work to dissuade people
> from engaging themselves in 'marketing' or 'profit', as if to pursue
> their economic survival, as individuals and in community, is to live in
> a State of Sin. I see it analogous to an assumption that saws and
> chisels must be bad and as tools should never be used because the only
> people that we ever saw to use them with any success were Evil.
> 
> In another direction, if we want to pursue the conservation and
> restoration of old windows then we need to learn how to use the tools
> that the new-window manufacturers use, and that includes to learn to
> work with capital, as well as to learn to work with webinars, as well as
> to be able to keep the voices of histo presto alive. Since I am not
> particularly good at any of this I think we need to learn to work together.
> 
> ][<en
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