ok phil.  Just making sure.  *smile*

Jenifer Gilley
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-----Original Message-----
From: The Electronic Church [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Phil Scovell
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 7:21 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I Hate God


Jenifer,

I'm sorry.  My last message was a little sarcasm leaking out.  Ever word of
the article is true.  Angel either did not read the whole article, or
totally misunderstood the point that was being made.  So in response, rather
than create an argument in trying to prove a point of how the Enemy works
using mental and emotional aspects of our physical and mental makeup, I just
said I made the whole thing up.  I never joke about such things when it
comes to our relationship with the Lord.  My point was not that everyone has
exactly the same thoughts, of course, but I was using one of my own
experiences to show just how far the Enemy is willing to go to deceive us
into spiritual unbalance relationally in our walk with the Lord.  I've read
over the article perhaps a dozen times in writing it and I personally cannot
see how she arrived at her interpretation of what I was saying because I
never once suggested everybody has the same deceiving and lying thoughts.
Shoot, if she thinks that is horrible, she should sit with me in prayer
sessions and hear what else people come up with that they think they are
saying in their mind.

Phil.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Jenifer Gilley" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: I Hate God


> phil.
> I don't get you sometimes.  *smile*  If you're just making this article
up,
> how are we to know what is true and what is not that you write?  Just
> curious?
>
> Jenifer Gilley
> Christ came that we may have life everlasting!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Electronic Church [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> Behalf Of Phil Scovell
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 2:49 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: I Hate God
>
>
> Angel,
>
> It never happened.  I just made the whole thing up.
>
> Phil.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angel238" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: I Hate God
>
>
> > This is just weird.  I can't be the only one who has never had such
> > thoughts.  This post would cause us all to think we all have had such
> weird
> > thoughts, but, I never have had such thoughts.  I will admit I have
> > questioned why God allows certain things to happen but I have never even
> > considered hating God, or questioning his infinite wisdom.  Merely I
> > wondered why certain things such as the loss of my husband's mind, for
> > example, would happen.  I questioned how these things could happen if
God
> > loved and cared for us.  But I have never denied his existence or
> > disrespected him in any by hating him.  I can't be the only one who has
> > never at all had such thoughts?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 2:11 PM
> > Subject: I Hate God
> >
> >
> > >I Hate God
> > >
> > >
> > > By Phil Scovell
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >     One thing I try and teach those with whom I pray, is about
> > > how demons use thoughts and emotions, or feelings, to deceive us.
> > > Nearly everyone reading this article has experienced such thoughts
> > > and feelings, and probably many times throughout your Christian
> > > walk with the Lord, but likely have never determined its identity.
> > > I could describe a lot of things people experience, or feelings,
> > > physically, and perhaps emotionally, too, when the Enemy is
> > > tossing his fiery darts, but let me begin with one that is common.
> > >
> > >     You may hear in your thoughts, not an audible voice you
> > > understand, but just thoughts within your thoughts, "You are a
> > > lousy Christian."  This can vary widely, from being the worst
> > > sinner on the planet, doomed to hell, or even accusations that
> > > you deserve how you feel because you are a wicked, mean, evil
> > > person.  I'd had people sit across from my desk tell me, "If
> > > people knew what I really was down inside, they would hate me and
> > > stay as far away from me as possible."  When I pray about what
> > > they just said and try probing deeper, they often describe that
> > > inner feeling that frightens them about themselves is evil.  Some
> > > may even confess they have Satan in them or a devil or demon and
> > > conclude that must be why they think and feel the way they do
> > > about themselves.  Likewise, few Christian believe lying spirits
> > > use feelings, their own feelings, the confuse and to deceive.
> > >
> > >     Let me explain another level, a more sinister level, of
> > > deception the Enemy uses against us many times and that is the
> > > direct approach.
> > >
> > >     Recently, I was going through some things in my own life that
> > > were incredibly stressful.  That doesn't mean, in particular, it
> > > was demonic, but it could just have easily been the stress and
> > > tension of every day life.  At least three times, I believe it
> > > was, and all over a period of a couple of days, in my thoughts I
> > > heard, "I hate you God."  Woe horse!  I mean, here is one way, we
> > > immediately think, of eternal condemnation, the unpardonable sin,
> > > and blasphemies against God, on the fly, as it were.  In fact, we
> > > are lucky we don't get struck by lighting when something like that
> > > passes through our thoughts.  Right?  If a person reacts favorably
> > > to such a thought, that is, agrees with it as legitimate, all
> > > hell breaks loose.  All sorts of things get conjured up and
> > > invoked.  For example, "Well, this confirms it.  I'm going to
> > > hell.  I deserve it, too after thinking such a heinous and
> > > nefarious thought."  This is, of course, only the beginning.
> > > Many people, young or old, can begin to experience all sorts of
> > > such thoughts  Some even begin acting out based upon those thing.
> > > Getting drunk so often until you think you've killed the thoughts
> > > in your brain, getting so high you can't see the ground, living
> > > immorally, heterosexually or homosexually, just to have some
> > > degree of pleasure to try and override the horrible thoughts, and
> > > some get involved in new age, which are really old age, religious
> > > practices to try and clear their mind of the evil thoughts they
> > > think they are having.  Some even join cults to try and filter
> > > out, or at least tone down, the horrible thoughts in their minds.
> > > Some even turn to violence.  How many of the satellite and cable
> > > shows have you seen of serial killers where their neighbors,
> > > after finding out he killed 38 people in the last four years, say,
> > > "Oh, he was such a nice guy.  He took out my trash, shoveled my
> > > walk, and even mowed my lawn," while all the time they were living
> > > next door to a murderer.  How do you suppose those types of
> > > horrible people got to be murderers?  Do you suppose they just
> > > awakened one morning and said, "I feel like killing someone today,
> > > cutting off their head, and having sex with the corps?  Of course
> > > that isn't the way it begins.  They generally all have gotten a
> > > mighty good jump start from being physically, and generally,
> > > sexually, abused as children.  I remember one such program I watch
> > > of a guy who killed a couple of young women and in prison, he told
> > > about his dad who always talked about how much he hated him as his
> > > son, always physically beat him, sometimes for nothing he had
> > > done, and once he picked up his dog, tossed the dog into the air
> > > as high as he could, and shot the dog in front of the little boy
> > > before his dog could hit the ground.  That poor little boy had no
> > > chance because his immature mind could not, in any logical way,
> > > sort out all that was happening to him.  In every serial program I
> > > have watched, and I deliberately watch many of them, I wait until
> > > they talk about the murderer and his life that led up to a life of
> > > murderous crime.  They all, every one, have similar horrid
> > > childhood beginnings.  I've even heard them, after killing dozens
> > > of people, say, "The voices in my head told me to do it and the
> > > only way I could silence the voices is to do what they said."
> > > Well, excuse me, but that ain't God talking in their head so whom
> > > do you suppose it might be?  No, I'm not saying they shouldn't be
> > > imprisoned, in fact, I'm not even suggesting they shouldn't be put
> > > to death for their crimes.  I am saying, these horrible cases
> > > developed often by being jump started in some very traumatic and
> > > cadaverous ways.  Let's go back to the every day experience,
> > > however, and focus on that, instead of the worst, in order to gain
> > > greater spiritual insight.
> > >
> > >     As I said, or started to say, I recently experienced, in my
> > > thoughts, what normally used to be a quite unsettling and
> > > disturbing thought: "I hate you God."  In times past, this thought
> > > would be accompanied by an apprehensive flush of anxiety and fear
> > > that would blow the needle off the panic meter.  You see, the
> > > flush of sudden anxiety feeling confirmed the thought must be
> > > true.
> > >
> > >     One day, I was sitting on a chair just off the edge of the
> > > driveway keeping track of my two little grandsons riding their
> > > trikes.  This same identical thought, and feeling, slammed into me
> > > like a truck running over my body.  I immediately freaked.  "Oh,
> > > my God!  I must be an evil person.  Why, I can't be saved.  No
> > > born again Christian would ever even think such a thing."  That is
> > > what I normally began to embellish in my thoughts, emotions
> > > corresponded to confirm the thought.  However, I had been having
> > > some healing experiences which were making me more attuned to the
> > > voice, or thoughts, of  the Holy Spirit, than the Enemy.  So, when
> > > this thought penetrated my thinking patterns, the emotional
> > > counterpart accompanied the thought so I would be deceived into
> > > thinking that I really, deep down inside, hate God.  This time, on
> > > the other hand, something unique occurred.  A split second the
> > > thought invaded my thoughts and the feeling slammed into my body,
> > > I sucked in my breath out of fear that this was who I really was
> > > deep down inside.  The next second, my thoughts said, "Hey, wait
> > > just a minute.  I don't hate God and never have.  Holy cow!  this
> > > is a lying spirit attacking my mind.  Oh, great!"  This joyful
> > > attitude arose because I had already learned, the origin of such
> > > thoughts were not coming from deep inside of me but they were
> > > lies of the Enemy always coming from the outside.  I said, "Oh,
> > > god.  This is wonderful.  Now I can pray and find where this lying
> > > spirit is," and I opened my mouth to pray.  It was too late.  The
> > > lying spirit instantly recognized my awareness of his identity
> > > through his thoughts he was putting in my mind and his emotions he
> > > was putting on my feelings, and it was like a sonic boom just
> > > exploded.  Something I felt, spiritually speaking, on my back,
> > > blew off like dynamite had just gone off.  In my thoughts, my
> > > mind's eye sort of speak, he blew miles backward and guess what?
> > > The anxiety began to slowly subside until it eventually went away
> > > all together.
> > >
> > >     So, when this recently happened again, honestly, you'd think
> > > they would change tactics after awhile, the instant the thoughts,
> > > "I hate God," invaded my thoughts, I stopped what I was doing
> > > before the feelings of fear and anxiety could be dumped on me by
> > > the demonic presence and I prayed against the lies of the lying
> > > spirit and all those who might be working under his authority.
> > > The anxiety never reached my feelings once during the three times
> > > this happened because I took the thought captive the second I
> > > heard it in my mind.  My point is this.  The lying spirit spoke in
> > > the first person, "I hate God."  That made it sound like I said it
> > > but I couldn't say such a thing because I have the Holy Spirit
> > > dwelling in my spirit and He, the Holy Spirit, always agrees with
> > > the Scriptures, the Word and voice of God, and never lies.  Thus,
> > > the Holy Spirit came along side of me and assisted me is seeing
> > > the lie instantly and the lie never was able to take a foothold in
> > > my thoughts or feelings.
> > >
> > >     We often forget that it is our spirit, where the Holy Spirit
> > > dwells, that is born again.  Glorification doesn't take place,
> > > that is, the salvation of our body and soul, until Jesus comes.
> > > Think of it in terms of our Lord's own resurrection.  He needed no
> > > blood then because all three parts, body, soul, and spirit, were
> > > glorified in one body so He did not have the same existence as he
> > > did when He was born of a virgin.  You understand what I mean?
> > > Think about it for awhile and while you are thinking, take every
> > > thought captive when necessary.
> > >
> > >
> > > It Sounds Like God To Me.
> > > www.SafePlaceFellowship.com
> > >
> >
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