Reading my comment below it sounds a bit harsh & I apologize for that.
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Jim Hicks
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> From: JIM HICKS <[log in to unmask]>
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> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:33:23 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [BP] The Last Thing We Ever Needed
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> Well, G.O. I wonder then just how you account for our society's
> transformation into the needy little consumers we have become.
> Also I wouldn't equate free will with choosing Jung or Reich over Freud.
> How were we convinced we needed any of them? That would be an interesting
> story.
> According to Gurdjieff we have no will free or otherwise which, although I
> no longer participate, do subscribe to. Very much like his idea that we have
> no soul except one that is earned and developed.
> We need a salon on a regular basis to bat these ideas around.
> In 'A Good Talk' by Daniel Menaker, he talks about around the 1600s there
> were coffee shops where for a penny you could join in conversation read
> newspapers & periodicals and of course drink coffee. The link below is Rae's
> review.
> http://www.heraldnews.com/lifestyle/x979447666/Book-Notes-Breaking-down-a-co
> nversation-in-A-Good-Talk
> 
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> Jim Hicks
> Quality Restoration Works, LLC
> 917-575-8545
> 
> 
>> From: Gabriel Orgrease <[log in to unmask]>
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>> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:27:40 -0500
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>> Subject: Re: [BP] The Last Thing We Ever Needed
>> 
>> On 2/9/2010 11:44 AM, John Leeke wrote:
>>> Of course, The Thing is right at the bottom of the Fast Cheap Good
>>> triangle, Fast things Cheap.
>>> 
>>> If you want to understand why you want The Thing watch the 4-part BBC
>>> series Century of Self.
>> John,
>> 
>> It is interesting to me that you mention this documentary as I watched
>> it in entirety a week or so ago. I agree that it is an experience to
>> recommend. I found it interesting though I also feel that the underlying
>> thesis was too simple of a narrative for me to accept it as all
>> encompassing. Granted that we are always dealing with a world saturated
>> with a media that works to create a sense of need where there may have
>> never been one before, we do have the free will to shut the noise off
>> and go do something else. For example instead of a Freudian psychology
>> we can follow Jung or Reich.
>> 
>> I also worry that these sorts of expositions work to dissuade people
>> from engaging themselves in 'marketing' or 'profit', as if to pursue
>> their economic survival, as individuals and in community, is to live in
>> a State of Sin. I see it analogous to an assumption that saws and
>> chisels must be bad and as tools should never be used because the only
>> people that we ever saw to use them with any success were Evil.
>> 
>> In another direction, if we want to pursue the conservation and
>> restoration of old windows then we need to learn how to use the tools
>> that the new-window manufacturers use, and that includes to learn to
>> work with capital, as well as to learn to work with webinars, as well as
>> to be able to keep the voices of histo presto alive. Since I am not
>> particularly good at any of this I think we need to learn to work together.
>> 
>> ][<en
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