yes, thanks kyle. what i was asking is if he had a
problem with DADT, WHY is he working for clinton and
why was the question not ask of senator clinton in the
democrat debate? that would be where it belonged.

 
--- "Kendall D. Corbett" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Kyle,
> 
> Thanks for the "deep background,"  I was mostly
> kidding, but this is good
> information to have!
> 
> On Dec 10, 2007 6:11 AM, Cleveland, Kyle E.
> <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Ken, et al,
> >
> > I know this started off as a funny, but this Ken's
> fellow Ken's talking
> > about really started a firestorm of discussion in
> the military
> > community. Here's some background on the fellow
> from the wire service:
> >
> > "Keith Kerr, retired Colonel., U.S. Army; retired
> Brigadier General,
> > California National Reserve, who submitted a
> question about gays in the
> > military, is a member of Hillary Clinton's
> 'Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and
> > Transexual Americans For Hillary' Steering
> Committee.  He's also part of
> > a film production crew trying overturn the "Don't
> Ask, Don't Tell"
> > policy."
> >
> > From his bio on Servicemembers Legal Defense
> Network where he is on the
> > Military Advisory Council:
> >
> >
> > "He retired from the U. S. Army Reserve in 1986
> with the rank of Colonel
> > and was commissioned in the California State
> Military Reserve
> > (California National Guard) on 15 March 1986,
> where his assignments were
> > Inspector Generaland later, Chief of Staff. He was
> appointed Commanding
> > General, Northern Area Command, CSMR, with
> headquarters at Alameda Naval
> > Supply Depot, Alameda, CA and promoted to
> Brigadier General on 21
> > February 1991. He held this position until
> reassigned to State
> > Headquarters on 31 July 1995. General Kerr retired
> on 1 June 1996 after
> > 43 years of service to the United States and the
> State of California."
> >
> > "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was one of the worst
> edicts to come out of the
> > Clinton White House.  In a misguided attempt to
> help the cause of gay
> > folks in the military, it actually forced many out
> of the system.  There
> > have always been bunches of gays in the
> military--especially since the
> > integration of women into Combat Support and
> Combat Service Support
> > teams.
> >
> > Prior to DADT, nobody cared because gay folks
> steered themselves toward
> > the services and jobs that were under the radar. 
> DADT was unofficially
> > in place long before the law was passed.  Used to
> be, when a kid wanted
> > out of his/her enlistment contract they would go
> to their CO and say, "I
> > want to quit, so I'm gay--you need to put me out."
>  They'd get a
> > "General Discharge under Honorable Conditions" and
> that was it.  NOW
> > there has to be an investigation and the CO has to
> determine if there
> > was sexual activity and who the partner was.  Say
> you have two lesbians
> > in a relationship and one wants leave before her
> commitment is up.  If
> > she goes to the CO, then that commander has to
> verify the act(s) and if
> > they were with another soldier.  The other
> soldier, who wants to stay
> > in, has to testify under oath whether or not she
> had a sexual
> > relationship with the other soldier.  Either way,
> both of their military
> > careers are shot and they may get discharged under
> "Less That Honorable
> > Conditions".  You can't use your veteran status
> for job seeking at that
> > point.  In these cases the soldier who wants to
> leave will be strongly
> > advised to Chapter 15 out on "Drug and Alcohol"
> issues with a General
> > Discharge.  DADT is a screwed-up law that never
> needed to be there in
> > the first place.
> >
> > I saw the debate live and was embarrassed by GEN
> Kerr's grandstanding.
> > It was very awkward and certainly did nothing to
> help the gay community.
> > On top of that, if he WAS gay during his time in
> service and committed a
> > sexual act prohibited by the Uniform Code of
> Military Justice (UCMJ),
> > then he should have his retirement package
> revoked.  This has happened
> > to numerous officers who have committed adultery
> while in service
> > (adultery is another act prohibited by the UCMJ).
> >
> > Kyle
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of ken barber
> > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:56 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >  Subject: Re: what would you do?
> >
> > you know i wonder why the question on that came up
> in
> > the GOP debate when "don't ask, don't tell" was/is
> a
> > clinton policy. the clinton news network picked
> the
> > question and flew the guy from florida and it was
> all
> > coincidence? i was borned at night, but not last
> > nignt.
> >
> > --- "Kendall D. Corbett"
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > But if some of the CG enlistees were gay or
> lesbian,
> > > how would that be
> > > viewed under "don't ask, don't tell," which is
> newly
> > > under fire?
> > >
> > > On 12/8/07, Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > well, then some would be gay or lesbian, and
> one
> > > would be transexual! lol!
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > http://www.zazzle.com/TamarMag*
> > > > Tamar Mag Raine
> > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > www.cafepress.com/tamarmag
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: Deri James <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2007 3:47:02 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: what would you do?
> > > >
> > > > On Saturday 08 December 2007 02:22:55 Tamar
> Raine
> > > wrote:
> > > > > I say let them party! lol! it's only a one
> hour
> > > flight!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, you're right - but I think the airline
> would
> > > have to set up a rota,
> > > > there were 17 females and 25 males!!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Deri
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > http://www.zazzle.com/TamarMag*
> > > > > Tamar Mag Raine
> > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > > www.cafepress.com/tamarmag
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > >
> 
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