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It is not lack of spanking that has brought on the problems we are
seeing now. It is many things that are rapidly changing in society.
At 08:47 PM 11/8/2007, you wrote:
> historically it has worked quite well. i can see
>more people who it has worked with than those it has
>not worked with. lack of it in the past 30-40 years
>has brought on more violence than ever before.
> i will not sit by and have average parents who swat
>an unruly child on the bottom as sex abusers and
>brutalizers. i'll point up the deceptive tactic every
>time i see it used.
> you are probably right in that it does not further
>"your" goals. but then again i and many other parents
>have not made it your responsibility to raise our
>children. nor do we want the role taken by the
>government.
> actually finding anything other than links (many
>just ads) is pretty hard on what came up when i
>clicked nospank.org
>. i am happy that you are going to give me permission
>to disagree.
>
>--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Ken we have agreed to disagree before and I am not
> > surprised you do
> > not agree. I would like to see laws passed making it
> > a crime to
> > punish children in this manner. I am against
> > corporal punishment. It
> > does not work. It does not further the goals I have
> > for society. I
> > actually threw it out as a trial balloon to see what
> > you guys
> > thought. I didn't say ALL, I said most. If I said
> > all I misstate I am
> > almost always careful to use qualifying words
> > especially when
> > throwing out controversial subjects. I agree with
> > Alice Miller and
> > nospank.org if you do not that is fine.
> >
> > At 01:41 PM 11/8/2007, you wrote:
> > >i saw different tatics that i have saw before.
> > >
> > >1st: all civilize nations have aggreed with your
> > >position. implication nations and people who do not
> > >are "uncivilized." intimidation tactic since no one
> > >wants to be seen as "uncivilized."
> > >
> > >2. we bring up spanking or corprell punishment and
> > >themn we start siting studies on sexual abuse and
> > on
> > >"brutalizing children.
> > > no one would want to support sexually abusing
> > >children or bruatalizing children. impress some,
> > >intimidate the rest.
> > >
> > >but here comes someone with brass enough to say
> > >studies on sexual abuse are not relavant to average
> > >parents spanking a average kid nor a average school
> > >teacher "applying the board of education to the
> > seat
> > >of learning" nor studies of brualizing children
> > being
> > >relavant to the average spanking or paddling. it
> > >sorta neutralize the tactics.
> > >
> > >how should it be read linda?
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It does not sound like you read it.
> > > >
> > > > At 07:06 PM 11/7/2007, you wrote:
> > > > >spanking and sexual abuse are not =. spanking
> > and
> > > > >brutalizing are not =. so your studies quoting
> > is
> > > > >apples to oranges. sorry it don't sell here.
> > > > >
> > > > >--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > That was a good school experience and mine
> > was
> > > > > > similar altho it was
> > > > > > in a city and altho my family did not have
> > much
> > > > > > money most of the
> > > > > > kids were from well heeled families. I think
> > > > because
> > > > > > of my age (62)
> > > > > > there were no discipline problems either. We
> > > > were
> > > > > > taught and we
> > > > > > learned. To my knowledge no one was ever
> > spanked
> > > > or
> > > > > > paddled.
> > > > > > Studies show paddling is bad for a child's
> > self
> > > > > > esteem and I agree
> > > > > > with www.nospank.org that passing laws
> > against
> > > > it
> > > > > > are best. Most
> > > > > > civilized countries have done so, the US has
> > > > not. A
> > > > > > highlight of my
> > > > > > life was giving an address in NY that Alice
> > > > Miller
> > > > > > was supposed to
> > > > > > give but she could not make it in from
> > > > Switzerland.
> > > > > > She is considered
> > > > > > the worlds foremost child psychologist, one
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > first to deal with
> > > > > > children's issues.
> > > > > > I've worked cases in states where spanking
> > is
> > > > > > allowed and they killed
> > > > > > a kid years ago, and covered it up, others
> > were
> > > > > > brutally beaten.
> > > > > > Studies also show that the brain develops
> > > > > > differently when kids are
> > > > > > brutalized at home or in school or sexually
> > > > abused.
> > > > > > Physical and
> > > > > > sexual violence towards children often goes
> > hand
> > > > in
> > > > > > hand. So if you
> > > > > > teach corporal punishment is wrong it sets a
> > > > > > different standard, a
> > > > > > humane and compassionate one.
> > > > > > And check out Moses Lake WA if you think
> > rural
> > > > kids
> > > > > > live good
> > > > > > citizenship cause I've worked cases where
> > the
> > > > murder
> > > > > > rate (kid on kid
> > > > > > and adult to kid) in rural areas is off the
> > > > charts.
> > > > > > Many murders in
> > > > > > farm areas are covered up as farm accidents
> > or
> > > > > > simply accepted by
> > > > > > authorities as accidents when they are not.
> > We
> > > > are
> > > > > > documenting these
> > > > > > in polygamy for instance. I guarantee you a
> > lot
> > > > of
> > > > > > those East
> > > > > > European and Appalachian kids you went to
> > school
> > > > > > with were being
> > > > > > brutalized at home. it is simply a well
> > covered
> > > > up
> > > > > > phenomenon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 02:52 AM 11/2/2007, you wrote:
> > > > > > >I would be willing to put MY next paycheck
> > on a
> > > > bet
> > > > > > that Linda
> > > > > > >McCauley's district probably received fewer
> > > > dollars
> > > > > > pe
> > > > > >
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