well linda, i think  you hit the Iran one on the head.
i read an article that there was 160 billion in the
butget for "emergency war funding." i do not think the
bush administration will end without the problem of
Iran with a nuke being addressed. i do not think he
will leave this for a later admin to solve. i also
read somewhere that the B1 bomber fleet was being
retrofitted for carrying the huge bunker buster bombs
that would be used to take out the underground
facilities in Iran.
 
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I agree about the draft because that would stop this
> insanity. The 
> refusal you saw in Nam would be nothing compared to
> the refusal to go 
> to Iraq. In Nam they did not even draft married
> people let alone both 
> parents. Then we might have a real peace movement in
> this country. I 
> just hope this teaches the public not to follow our
> leaders into war so easily.
> I am not saying they both should not serve. I am
> saying we don't need 
> to be making orphans out of their children.
> The Dems will never initiate a draft. I am so scared
> of what Bush 
> will do with his final time. He thinks it's ok to
> roll on Iran.
> 
> At 12:13 AM 10/30/2007, you wrote:
> >Unfortunately, both men and women signed up to be
> in the armed forces
> >and both have to serve. The military makes no
> distinction in this case -
> >this is the way women's libbers wanted it back in
> the 1970s and 1980s
> >and this is what they got. Don't get me wrong, I'm
> a feminist myself.
> >If you volunteer to serve in the military, you had
> better be prepared to
> >go where the military sends you - that's the
> reality of it.
> >
> >Also another thing is going on is that commissioned
> officers are being
> >called back into duty even after their official
> duties are over - they
> >can be called back at the DOD's whim, and they are
> even calling back
> >permanently disabled officers, too, those who would
> not ordinarily be
> >even  considered fit for active duty.  If you're a
> commissioned officer,
> >there's a clause in your contract that says you can
> be called back if
> >the need is there.  You're not totally out of
> service until you fully
> >retire.
> >
> >Frankly, I think we need a draft - we are in a
> situation where our armed
> >forces are stretched so thin that reserved units
> are sent back over and
> >over and non-com tours of duty keep getting
> extended further and
> >further.  But I'm willing  to bet this is such a
> hot potato that Bush is
> >trying to defer it as long as possible so the next
> Administration gets
> >to deal with it and its consequences.
> >
> >Kat
> >
> >Linda Walker wrote:
> > > I just think one parent should stay home it
> doesn't matter which sex I
> > > just think it is barbaric to send both parents
> to war especially for
> > > this type of action.
> > >
> > > At 06:24 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
> > >> well linda, we never had the women joining as
> they do
> > >> now. in precious wars usually a woman in the
> military
> > >> was to be a care giver to the wounded, but,
> with
> > >> "equal rights"....
> > >>
> > >> --- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > uniquely horrible in that it is an entirely
> > >> > unnecessary war just my
> > >> > opinion and it is more brutal because of the
> length
> > >> > of time people
> > >> > are serving and the fact that Bush will send
> two
> > >> > parents in there
> > >> > causing incredible worry to the families and
> > >> > children. We never did
> > >> > things like that before. I guess I just kinda
> hope
> > >> > we've learned
> > >> > something since the Spanish inquisition and
> it's
> > >> > interesting that's
> > >> > the one you mention since we have Abu Ghraib.
> > >> > Everyone responds to trauma differently. My
> father
> > >> > never raised his
> > >> > voice or his hand against anyone and he is a
> war
> > >> > hero so I am not of
> > >> > course talking about everyone.
> > >> > In the child abuse work I do, I see some
> highly
> > >> > resilient people who
> > >> > have good lives to people who are just
> destroyed by
> > >> > the events even
> > >> > to the point of taking their own life.  We
> will be
> > >> > paying for this
> > >> > war emotionally and socially for a couple of
> > >> > generations. Of course
> > >> > not everyone but some returning vets won't be
> able
> > >> > to cope and they
> > >> > will act out in violence towards themselves
> and
> > >> > those closest to
> > >> > them. It is well known there is a high
> incidence of
> > >> > domestic violence
> > >> > inside the services.
> > >> > And it bugs me that we primarily report our
> soldiers
> > >> > deaths but
> > >> > seldom report the number of displaced Iraquis
> > >> > because of our actions.
> > >> > Anyhow this is taking away from the terrible
> > >> > inhumane way that woman
> > >> > was treated. We'll never know if she would
> have
> > >> > lived with prompt tratement.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > At 04:40 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
> > >> > >Linda, if your logic were to be applied
> across the
> > >> > board, there wouldn't
> > >> > >be any vets who could  go back to civilian
> lives
> > >> > and get on with them.
> > >> > >Remember that we have been in wars since
> this
> > >> > country was founded and
> > >> > >there is nothing new about the traumas of
> war (well
> > >> > except for our
> > >> > >capacity to quickly kill each other).  If
> you think
> > >> > our brutality in
> > >> > >Iraq is uniquely horrible, may I refer you
> to any
> > >> > history of the Spanish
> > >> > >Inquisition or the Roman Empire?  Violence,
> alas,
> > >> > is nothing new.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Having said that I do agree  with you that
> we don't
> > >> > need to be in Iraq
> > >> > >because we need to spend our money where
> it's
> > >> > better put to use, and I
> > >> > >think we have done very little good by
> invading
> > >> > Iraq.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Kat
> >
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