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Cleij Piet 060606: Io ha traducite un texto in interlingua pro
le sito "Democracy International":
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Lavin Josu 060606: Car senior Piet Cleij, Multe gratias per le
ligamine e le traduction in nostre belle lingua commun del
texto: Nove Convention super le futuro de Europa
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Breinstrup Thomas: De facto, le adresse correcte del version in
interlingua es:
http://www.democracy-international.org/konvent-europa0.html
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Estimate demoCRAZY international people!
Le traduction de Piet de iste declaration es un bon
cosa, proque nunc nos ha un chance excellente a facer
propaganda pro interlingua e JUXTAPONER interlingua e
esperanto.
Alicun commentarios (constructive, i.e. nulle critica
contra le obra excellente de Piet):
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Errores dactylographic?
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Pro iste ration nos demanda li creation de un Convention e
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Debe esser ............... "le creation", nonne?
institutiones europee. Istes es percipite como frigide e
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Debe esser .......... "Istos es"
In addition, io usarea "Istos son" - "Istos es" sona
nimis esperantistic in aures delicate ...
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Un phrase inhabile?
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Piet:
"Il es del citatanos que debe emanar le mandato del
Convention."
Illo es inhabile etiam in le version espaniol:
"Es de los ciudadanos de los que debe emanar el mandato
de la Convención."
Plus IALAistic son, io opina:
Anglese:
"It is the citizens who must issue the Convention’s
mandate."
Germano:
"Zu Beginn des Prozesses müssen die Bürger dem Konvent
ein Mandat erteilen."
Francese:
"C'est aux citoyens de donner mandat à la Convention."
Mesmo esperanto:
"Estas la civitanoj kiuj devas formuli la Kunvenan
mandaton."
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Forsan in interlingua
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"Il es le citatanos qui debe conceder le mandato al
Convention"
o
"Il es al citatanos de donar mandato al Convention."
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Fiasco?
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Piet: "Un del major rationes pro le fiasco del
Constitution Europee ..."
Germano: "Ein Hauptgrund für die Ablehnung des
Verfassungsvertrages ..."
Francese: "L'une des raisons majeures de l'échec du
traité constitutionnel ..."
Italiano: "Una tra le maggiori cause del fallimento del
trattato costituzionale ..."
Anglese: "One of the major reasons for the failure of
the constitutional treaty ..."
Esperanto: "Unu el la grandaj kialoj de la malsukceso de
la konstitucia traktato ..."
Espaniol: "Una de las razones mas importantes para el
fracaso del tratado constitucional ..."
(Hic mesmo "fracaso" es un parola nimis radical)
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"Fiasco" es un prisa de position personal, non un
traduction de textos original.
Si governamentos de 25 paises - democraticamente
electe! - unanimemente signa un tractato e 23 paises [*]
lo ratifica e solmente 2 rejecta, illo es forsan alicun
minus quam un "fiasco". E iste rejectiones in Francia e
le Paises Basse son ja primarimente un protesto de
citatanos contra lor governamentos - que le citatanos
ipse habeva electe ... Solmente un parve minoritate de
iste protestantes ha unquam lecte le Tractato ...
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[*] Heh, il non es certe si 23 paises va ratificar
(Finlandia va lo facer). Sr Borrell, le presidente del
Parlamento Europee, visitava Finlandia ante alicun
dies e laudava Finlandia pro su decision a ratificar
le Tractato. Sr Borrell diceva que "il es importante
que tote le paises in le Union Europee ratifica le
tracto - o rejecta lo. Nos debe vider si minus quam 5 o
plus quam 5 paises va lo rejectar. Si plus quam 5, nos
debe crear un nove Tractato!"
Vamos usar e.g.
:: "Un del major rationes pro le disapprobation del
:: tractato constitutional ..."
(In textos official on debe usar le termino "tractato
constitutional" in loco de "Constitution Europee". Iste
tractato es ja solmente un collection de tractatos
inter 25 statos europee, non un "constitution" in le
senso conventional.)
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Mehr Demokratie e.V. - Plus Democratia
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Iste movimento es un association de juvene radicales
benque il ha etiam senior adherentes.
Vide, pro exemplo:
http://www.verfassung-europa.de/index.php?page=autoren&person=4
Verfassung für Europa
Homepage zum Taschenkommentar für Bürgerinnen und Bürger
Carsten Berg
geboren 1975 in Freiburg im Breisgau, studierte Politik- und
Sozialwissenschaften an den Universitäten Freiburg, Berlin und Potsdam
sowie am Institut d’Etudes Politiques in Lille (Sciences Po). Als
Mitarbeiter von Mehr Demokratie e.V. war er im EU-Verfassungskonvent
tätig und leitete zudem die Bundesarbeitgsgemeinschaft "Europäische
Verfassung" der JEF.
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- ALLGEMEINE UND SCHLUSSBESTIMMUNGEN (Artikel 437-448
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Salutante
Allan Kiviaho
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Kiviaho Allan
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P.S.
Vide etiam mi conceptos in interrete, si il vos place:
http://www.interlingua.fi/ceiafil/ceiniiee.htm
Italiano - interlingua - esperanto - espaniol
http://www.interlingua.fi/ceiafil/ceingief.htm
Germano - interlingua - esperanto - francese
http://www.interlingua.fi/ceiafil/ceinaief.htm
Anglese - interlingua - esperanto - francese
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