The very reason why new physicians have to do their time as interns and
residents.  And to them pigeon carcasses and guano would be child's
play--you all should see some of the stuff THEY get into, especially if
they are lucky enough to do their internships in big, innercity hospitals.
It weeds out the men from the boys, or the adults from the kids.  And these
poor kids have hardened old nurses about 3yrs from retirement breathing
down their necks.  Nothing like and old war horse to put the fear of
whomever into a young doc.  Ruth





At 10:35 AM -0100 6/16/07, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>Ralph,
>
>No, they do not all work for the same firm.
>
>At present what I hear is fragmented comments from quite different
>situations and directions from Boston to NY to Philly. If I only heard
>it from one person or one firm I would not think much of it. At first I
>was not sure if it goes any deeper than the shock of obtaining a Masters
>then finding oneself confronted with having to hands-on remove pigeon
>carcasses and at the same time realizing that the subject was never
>covered in any class. Not sure if they run off and read up on
>respiratory diseases at night.
>
>I would think that if having spent the money to go through a grad
>program, likely working off the debt, and finding the resulting worklife
>long hours and, as one mentioned, "a glorified cleaning lady", that
>there is a potential for the word to spread to students such that the
>preservation grad programs would be less attractive.
>
>I say all this with it in mind that I really like these younger folks
>and hope that they will stick around so that we can play together.
>
>The on-topic aspect of vulgarity is where you take these innocents and
>throw them into a project where there is the hardcore, brutal, sexist
>and traditional power play that has typified the NY construction culture
>for decades if not centuries. Regardless, when a whole slew of otherwise
>'professional' folks descend on the young conservator and begin to yell,
>scream, denigrate, use overly foul words, call them a liar and otherwise
>act like complete A-holes... and as it turns out for no good reason but
>their own freakin paranoia... it makes me wonder if the grad programs
>should include workshops in stress management.
>
>Though I would say it is rare in a few instances I have seen where
>within an organization/community a cluster team develops to surround and
>protect the innocent. It seems to me there is also a responsibility for
>senior professionals to be aware to look out for the protection of the
>sensibilities of their younger staff... guidance in part, a willingness
>to ease the passage from student to productive team member. As well as
>an awareness of the hardening process. In the trenches the construction
>industry is brutalizing and within this context histo presto occurs.
>
>][<
>
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>
>> This is not a good sign, unless they all work for the same firm.
>>
>> On another front... lately every fairly new conservator we have met in
>> the field has been telling us that they intend to go into another
>> career as quickly as they can figure it out. They do not all know each
>> other and they do not all come from the same school.
>
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