Well I do see your point - but you can say that every action generates
unexpected consequences, big or small. We can't predict what will happen
for sure; we can only predict from our observations.
But honestly, I don't see anything wrong with same-sex marriages or civil
unions. They aren't hurting anyone.
Kat
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:04 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: actually linda is right
i said nothing about you being liberal, i stated that
unintended consequences happens with a lot of
legislation and that one had to look at what can
happen. i do not see that aS LIBERAL NOR CONCERVATIVE.
i see it as causious. and again jumping before looking
may end one up going off a cliff. i don't think i
tared anything.
--- "Michael H. Collis" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I'm not debating you. I just asked two questions,
> and you seem to tar everything that comes in
> conflict with your ideas as liberal and therefore
> unamerican... Please answer my questions.
>
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:35:04 -0700
> >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: actually linda is right
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > i really don't want to debate gay rights again,
> but,
> >you leap without looking at what all the
> consequences
> >are and you do so at your own periel. there are
> always
> >consequences to every thing that is legislated and
> >many times they are un-intended.
> >
> >--- "Michael H. Collis" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> Okay. Ken, how about this? If a male
> transgendered
> >> himself into a female, then got married to a
> male,
> >> would that be okay? that's what happened to an
> >> online jewish friend. he met the person he ended
> up
> >> marrying while the person was still male, A year
> >> later the transgender process was complete and
> they
> >> got married. Then there are the hermaphrodites.
> >> Granted, they make up a very small percentage of
> the
> >> population, but they have both genders. what are
> we
> >> to do with those people?
> >>
> >> ---- Original message ----
> >> >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:12:52 -0700
> >> >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >Subject: Re: actually linda is right
> >> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >
> >> >you would not remove the guard rails that are at
> >> the
> >> >cliff edges at the grand canyon because of what
> is
> >> >likely to happen.
> >> >
> >> >you don't ignore the slippery slope that is
> there
> >> >because it is prudent to look at what is likely
> to
> >> >happen.
> >> >
> >> >nothing to do with morals; everything to do with
> >> good
> >> >common sense.
> >> >
> >> >--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Ken,
> >> >>
> >> >> You know the one thing I learned while I was
> >> >> teaching in that
> >> >> Christian private school - is those people are
> >> very
> >> >> sincere in their
> >> >> beliefs - and no I never mentioned I am Pagan
> nor
> >> >> argued with one thing
> >> >> said. As I said I learned they honestly and
> >> >> sincerely believe what they
> >> >> believe. And so it is everyone - so why would
> >> anyone
> >> >> think they would
> >> >> bring you around to their way of thinking - we
> >> can
> >> >> never change anyone's
> >> >> mind - they have see beyond the horizon of
> their
> >> >> boundaries - a
> >> >> uncomfortable play to be.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have no problem with gay marriages - if
> >> polygamy
> >> >> were a voluntary
> >> >> state - not a brainwasher slave state - I
> could
> >> >> perhaps see it but for
> >> >> the most part since we have no positive role
> >> models
> >> >> here - it's hard to
> >> >> make a judgement on it. I can see jealousy
> being
> >> a
> >> >> major factor in it
> >> >> not being successful. I really don't think
> anyone
> >> >> backs pedifiles. Of
> >> >> course you do have some laws for young
> marriages.
> >> I
> >> >> think the thing is
> >> >> view each item on its own merits and not lump
> >> them
> >> >> together because it
> >> >> might lead down a slippery slope - blanket
> >> >> com=ndemning things - could
> >> >> be seen as going down a slippery slope also.
> >> >>
> >> >> Oooops got to run.....
> >> Trisha
> >> >> (who is taking her
> >> >> Mom shopping)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> >> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> >> >> Of ken barber
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:36 PM
> >> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >> Subject: actually linda is right
> >> >>
> >> >> actually linda is right on the fact that i do
> not
> >> >> post
> >> >> much of controversy direct to the list as much
> as
> >> i
> >> >> once did. i am following the advice that i
> give
> >> my
> >> >> son
> >> >> "choose your fights well and be sure they are
> >> worth
> >> >> the efford you are going to have to put in
> them."
> >> i
> >> >> post many things to about 3 or 4 people who
> for
> >> the
> >> >> most part do not agreee with my opinions, but
> >> that i
> >> >>
> >> >> know are not going to attack me for having my
> >> >> opinions.
> >> >> the last time i posted on an issue like this
> >> one,
> >> >> it
> >> >> was entwined in with a discussion of not only
> >> >> polygamy
> >> >> but gay rights and other alternative
> lifestyles.
> >> >> when
> >> >> i said "many adults wanted sex with children"
> i
> >> was
> >> >> accused of "hate speech." after that post i
> got
> >> >> quite
> >> >> a load of off list email(from the tolerate
> >> liberals
> >> >> on
> >> >> the list) and if you want to know hate speech
> you
> >> >> should have been able to read a few of those.
> >> that
> >> >> lead me to post my "i will not be intimidated"
> by
> >> >> this
> >> >> tactic email.
> >> >> now, since the subject is out here, these
> >> people
> >> >> are
> >> >> Pedophiles. they are like a nest of vermin.
> you
> >> >> attack
> >> >> them in one place and they just move to
> another
> >> and
> >> >> produce anotherr nest.
> >> >> linda's opinion that officials at the
> mormon
> >> >> church
> >> >> publicly critisize polygamay while giving it
> a
> >> wink
> >> >> and a nod my indeed be true. i can neither
> >> confirm
> >> >> nor disprove it. i know that the mormons that
> i
> >> >> personally know do not like it. the law
> >> enforcement
> >> >> and politicos from arizona and utah might
> could
> >> >> have
> >> >> given texas a "heads up" if they knew these
>
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