Virgie,

Yeah it sure does. It isn't necessarily a popular topic with folks, but 
there is no denying God's design, I think he knows too many cooks spoil the 
meal as well warriors without a chief might scatter and lose focus. Many 
times leaders that don't  lead, lends a follower to think they need to jump 
in, but that doesn't work. Conversely there are  followers that don't 
follow, and leave a leader leading no one, and thus reducing it to  two or 
more followers running in separate directions with no leader. Peace and 
sense of stability comes when folks take their places , even if things are 
rough and seem tough, it really is the best and there are learning curves 
in both areas that require grace. You'd think my words would lend 
themselves to think they speak from experience or something  huh. They do, 
and I have, and believe me, it is much better this way :).

Brad






At 03:50 PM 7/30/2007, you wrote:
>Hello Brad,
>Thank you for sharing this.  It is definitely food for thought and makes 
>one take a long hard look at ones self.
>
>Virgie and lady Hoshi
>doing business at
>
>www.vunderwood.ktostemtech.com
>----- Original Message ----- From: "B Dunse" <[log in to unmask]>
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>Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 12:28 PM
>Subject: Followership concluded
>
>
>Conclusion of Followership...
>
>
>I'm coming down to an important  realization for
>which groundwork has been laid. That is to not
>follow God, does not remove him from his position
>as leader. Satan found out what it was to test
>the authoritative position of God. If a student
>were to not obey their teacher or professor in
>college, that does not remove them from being
>their teacher or professor. It will just get them
>an "F."  It does not remove either of them from
>their positions as leader and follower. The
>student will have to take it again next year, and
>they will take it until they say "yes" when the
>answer is "yes", no matter what they believe it is.
>
>There are three simple ways to find out if you
>are a leader or a follower in life. You'll need
>to survey each area of your life and ask yourself
>"Am I a leader here or a follower here?" But God
>has provided a way to make that determination.
>
>1. God's specific written word. God's Word
>plainly speaks to many areas of life and tells us
>if we are a leader or a follower. If God's Word
>is already predetermined and has given His Word
>on a matter or category, then we fit in that
>category. The Bible instructs children to obey
>their parents.  Parents then are leaders and
>children are followers. There is no use praying
>to try to move God to change those positions.
>There are no reasons to think there are
>special  exemptions why that does not apply to us
>in any case. If you are a child, you are a
>follower in that child -parent relationship.  If
>you're a parent you are a leader in that
>child-parent relationship. If you are a leader
>you are responsible to lead, if you are a
>follower you are responsible for following. Very
>simply, if God already tells your position in his
>Word, then you know what to do. If God does not
>say it in very plain language such as
>parent-child for example, there is still.
>
>2. Biblical examples. God's Word shows clear
>Biblical  examples, patterns and principles that
>show a predetermination how leaders and followers
>should flow. He said in Romans 13 for us to obey
>those that have the rule over us. He is talking
>about policemen, kings, and governments. If an
>individual is riding down the road at fifty miles
>an hour in a fifty-five mile an hour zone, and a
>policeman puts on his red lights behind them,
>that does not give them the right  to not stop.
>If the  policeman then says they were going
>sixty-five in a fifty-five mile an hour zone,
>begins to write the ticket, and because the
>individual does not think that the policeman is
>right they begin to argue. They had better find
>submission there somewhere, because if they don't
>they are going to make things worse. They are not
>going to change the policeman's mind. They will
>have to appeal to a higher authority. If they
>continue to fuss and fight with him, they might
>end up with a larger penalty or jail time if they
>let it get out of hand. If an individual does not
>agree with those in a position of authority or
>leader, they need to submit, remain loyal, and
>talk to the leader's authority about it. If they
>complain to other people about it, it is
>disloyalty. They can go talk to the judge about
>it, then it is not disloyalty, and They are not causing problems.
>
>3. Who works for who? one of the best ways for
>people to determine if they are a leader or a
>follower is to ask themselves. who hired me? Who
>hired who and who can fire who? If I hire an
>Associate Pastor, I am his or her boss. I can and
>would be responsible if need be to fire them. I
>hired them, so I can fire them. That is basic. In
>that situation I'm the leader and they're the
>follower. They ought to obey my instruction.
>However, if we come to a time when he/she does
>not want to do what I instruct them, they will
>need to find submission. They are welcome to
>bring all their counsel to the table, and any and
>everything to support their view. In reality,
>often they have done that and changed my mind. It
>is good to have a leader in which you can change
>his or her mind. A leader finds wisdom in
>understanding that there are others that are
>smarter, wiser, or better than he or she  in some
>areas. Leaders value that, but at the end of the
>day if the leader says to do it anyway? The
>follower needs to find submission. Once submitted
>the follower needs to enter into loyalty in
>supporting the leader by not complaining to others.
>
>Those are simple ways of finding out if you are a
>leader or a follower. I ran into one of my dear
>friends who is one of the great youth pastor's in
>America. He finally found disagreement with the
>elders of his church and his pastor. At that
>point he realized he didn't have a youth group,
>they did. He had a mortgage, he had a car payment
>and kids to raise, but he didn't have a job. He
>didn't have a place to preach. He told me, "I
>built that youth group", I said to him "Yes, and
>you got paid for it, but you found out who it
>belonged to didn't you?"  Who's the leader? Who's
>the follower? That's really pretty simple in most
>areas of life. If a student in class or an
>employee in their office, stands up at their desk
>and tells a teacher or employer they are just not
>going to do what was instructed to them, if they
>have any doubts, they'll find out very  soon
>who's the leader and who is the follower.
>Followers are responsible to follow, to obey when
>they agree, to submit when they don't, and to be loyal at all cost.
>
>There are areas of people's life that they are in
>a position of follower, and there are areas of
>their life which they are in a position of
>leader. Please look at the areas of your life. If
>you are a leader in an area, lead with grace and
>gentleness,  embracing the idea that others that
>you lead are wiser and smarter; more able and
>stronger  than you are in their respective areas.
>If you are a leader and not leading people that
>are more capable than you, you will need to look
>at your leadership principles. A good leader
>should lead based upon the greater strength of
>those who he leads. David did not overtake as
>many  people as  his mighty men did, because he
>understood their strengths. He embraced their
>strengths letting them lead under his authority
>of leadership, but they followed him as their
>leader. If you're a follower work on the times
>you're faced with doing something you don't agree
>with. It's easy to do the things you agree with.
>Work on loyalty and not complaining about it. If
>we follow the pattern of Satan's disagreement
>rebellion and  disobedience to God, his example
>of leader and not followership, we can see what
>it will cost, and that is not a road that we want to travel.