Hi Angel,
I think the Pastors need prayer as much as the person seeking help.  They 
are falable human beings just like the rest of us.  A prayer by the minister 
for guidance from God would help before trying to counsel a person.  How sad 
for the girl, the parents, and the minister.  It is a good thing God loves 
us in spite of our short comings.
Virgie and Hoshi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: pray for a friend


It is so difficult to know the rite words to say too a hurting heart.  This 
is why one must be called by God to be his representative here on earth.  If 
this is the case God will provide just the rite words for the hurting heart. 
I knew a woman whose daughter killed herself.  She was questioning her own 
parenting and wondering what she could have done to prevent what had 
happened.  She called the suicide hot line run by our free clinic.  The 
councilor told her to hold while he saw to some other problem.  She became 
so incensed at his lack of concern, she lost all interest in the idea of 
suicide.  That was the rite approach for her.  However, it isn't for 
everyone.  Perhaps the minister merely wanted her to focus on how improving 
her relationship with God and with her church would help her solve the wrong 
thinking under which she was subject.  He just didn't know how to help this 
particular woman.  I was watching court TV.  There was a case of a teenage 
girl who went to her Baptist minister and asked him whether her salvation 
could be lost.  He said it couldn't.  As she had been "saved" when she was a 
child, she immediately went home and killed her parents because they forbid 
her to see her boy friend.  Imagine the guilt resting on that minister's 
shoulders?  I think along with seminary training there needs to be a full 
course given concerning the proper counseling of distraught people.  I will 
pray for your friend's soul that she will soon see the face of God.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rhonda Partain
  To: [log in to unmask]
  Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:20 PM
  Subject: Re: pray for a friend


  It is so sad….this pastor and I use the word lightly  needs prayer 
too…words can do such dammage  we should speak the truth in love….would love 
belittle someone, make them feel as though they were worth nothing?  When 
Jesus  saw the woman caught in adultery did  He tell her how wrong she was, 
how she should have resisted the temptation,  did  he criticize her, NO! He 
showed her love, something she had probably never known, the very thing she 
had been looking for,  the reason she was in adultery, looking for love in 
the wrong place!!

  God help us,  show us how to love, give us a heart of compassion, not of 
condemnation!

  Rhonda



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