Hi Steve;
Seems their literature claims about 250 khz under 2 to 1 but true it depends 
on height and surroundings.
What type of mast do you have yours mounted on?  I believe you said it was a 
ground mounted push up mast?  Is that mast self supporting?
Richard
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Forst" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: mini-beams


Hi Richard,

As you would expect  with a 4 1/2 foot boom and 12 foot elements, bandwidth
on 20 is  not super.   Mine is tuned for the SSB portion and I get less than
100  khz no tuner. I   use the auto tuner to tweak it.   To work CW or RTTY,
it's worth the effort to use the  Palstar manual tuner to get it flat.   I
think the model that also covers 12 and 17 meters  has to give up more 20
bandwidth to acomplish this.

No change in SWR as it turns.   I think you are right in suspecting  close
proximity of the neighbors house as a reason  for erratic swr as the beam
turns.   While many antennas will see some change in swr  in wet weather, it
is pronounced  with this antenna and resonant freq  will drop a bit in a
rain storm  Maybe 100 khz on 20 meters.

Mine is only at 23 feet and all above info  is likely to change if up
higher  I'd of course prefer something bigger, but  until then this suits
me.  .

73, Steve KW3A


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fiorello" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: mini-beams


> Hi Steve;
> Thanks for the info.  How was the band-width on 20 meters?  I believe you
> said you had it up on a push up mast?  How high was the mast?  Did you
> find
> the swr changed as you turned the antenna?  The miniquad was lots of years
> ago but I vaguely recall that one problem I had was the swr changed
> significantly as I turned the antenna.  At the time I suspected that it
> was
> because the neighbors house was significantly higher but that was very
> much
> a guess.
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Forst" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: mini-beams
>
>
> Richard,
>
> I'm the guilty party.   Using the MQ 24SR made by TGM
>
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/tgmc/
>
> I had one of the Butterfly beams when  they first came out, but never got
> it
> up and sold it in favor of a Mosley TA 33M.   Like everything from
> Butternut
> it was a  pain to put together and promised to be a double pain to tune.
> If I had the support structure here, the Mosley would be up anot the Mini
> Quad.
>
> Regarding the radials for the vertical?   The demensions for the  stub
> tuned
> radials can be found on the Bencher site in PDF.  As I remember it was  a
> hand drawn diagram and I doubt if a screen reader would  read it.   The
> twin
> lead is notched at various points and  measurements depend on the VF of
> the
> twin lead.  This works as  low as 40 meters, although it can load on 80,
> but
> you should add at least 1  wire for that band, and more is better.   If
> you
> go ground mounted, lengths aren't critical and a lot of short  radials
> will
> do a good job.
>
> 73, Steve KW3A
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Fiorello" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:27 PM
> Subject: mini-beams
>
>
>> Hi;
>> While playing with antenna reviews I was looking at small beams such as
>> the
>> hf5b.  Has anyone here used one?
>> Someone here was using the Canadian version of the old miniquad.  Is it
>> still in production and what is the manufacturer and model number?
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>