Good morning Angel,
As you know we shouldn't judge people but we do.  I hadn't thought of it 
that way until Phil sent that message.  Not very many people living on the 
earth would accept that kind of situation without complaint.
I hope you and your son are doing well.
Virgie and Hoshi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: Where Jesus Was Born


> It also shows if the king of glory can be born in a place with manure that 
> high, and a stench which would knock anyone over than how can we judge the 
> circumstances of others?  How can we say to ourselves, I can't go to that 
> persons house because it is full of refuse, or the person or house smells. 
> Mary didn't tell Joseph, or God, I deserve better than to bare my child in 
> a dirty smelly cave.  My theology teacher said the reason the Angels first 
> appeared to the shepherds was because they stank of sheep.  They had to 
> sleep with them outdoors because of the smell.  The wise men , as well, 
> must have been very special to not complained but just worshiped and gave 
> thanks.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "VIRGIE UNDERWOOD" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 6:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Where Jesus Was Born
>
>
>> When you think about where He was born it is very humbling!  Only someone 
>> who loved us would make this kind of sacrifice so that we may live and 
>> have eternal life if we accept Him as our Savior.
>> Praise His Holy Name.
>> Virgie and Hoshi
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:34 AM
>> Subject: Where Jesus Was Born
>>
>>
>>>     Bill Rice has been dead for many years.  He was a cowboy
>>> early on in his life.  He later went into ministry work.  When he
>>> died, he owned a 1500 acre ranch out east in one of the Carolinas,
>>> as I recall, but his full time ministry had turned into a ministry
>>> for the deaf.  Every summer, about 1500 deaf people came to his
>>> ranch and would spend two or three weeks on the ranch.  They rode
>>> horses, camped out, sat around huge bond fires, and those trained
>>> in sign language would translate everything, including the Bible
>>> studies they had, and the preaching services.
>>>
>>>     Bill went to the Bible lands once, maybe more than once, but
>>> this one time I know about, he said, during an off time, he asked
>>> the guide to take him to a place that he, the guide, thought was
>>> like where Jesus was born.  The guide explained to him that
>>> throughout Palestine, especially in those days, they didn't need
>>> stables or barns because of all the thousands of small caves.  Of
>>> course, many were buried in such caves.  Anybody come to mind
>>> right off you can think of?  Jesus for example?  Anyhow, before
>>> speaking on this same topic today at church, I read through the
>>> Christmas stories, so called, and realizing I didn't see the word
>>> "stable" in the stories, I did a computer search.  I was positive
>>> I had read the word "stable" in the birth of Jesus passages of
>>> Scriptures.  Guess what?  The word isn't even in the Gospels.
>>> Yes, it says he was wrapped in swaddling clothes and laid in a
>>> manger, but it says nothing about a barn or a stable.
>>>
>>>     Bill rice said the guide took him to a cave which had been
>>> used once as a stable for farm animals.  The cave was empty at the
>>> time so Bill asked the man if it was ok for him to go inside.  The
>>> guide said that there was no light but he was welcome to enter.
>>> Bill said when he stepped inside, the smell nearly knocked him
>>> out.  This coming from a cowboy who was used to being around such
>>> smells.  Secondly, Bill said that the manure he stepped into came
>>> nearly to his boot tops.  the entire cave was this way.  He moved
>>> around and examined the manger that was there.  He stood in this
>>> cave and realized for the first time in his life, this was the
>>> true humble birth of the God of the universe.  He said it changed
>>> his life just thinking about it.  It has changed my life since I
>>> heard this story.  I trust it will change your thoughts about
>>> Christmas and who Jesus really is.  Think of it.  If this was like
>>> the place Jesus was born, he was born in a cave, was buried in a
>>> cave, and rose again from a cave.  Go Jesus.  Show 'em.
>>>
>>> Phil.
>>>