Phil,
Just to let you know,Rick Warren doesn't exactly float my boat 
either.  I have my concerns and doubts.  His nitch is definitely not 
mine, but I do appreciate a lot that he has put out for the sake of 
discussion.  Who knows how it will all pan out.

I think about what Paul said in Philippians 1:15-19.

It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but 
others out of good will.  The latter do so in love, knowing that I am 
put here for the defense of the gospel.  The former preach Christ out 
of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up 
trouble for me while I am in chains.  But what does it matter?  The 
important thing is that in every way, whether false motives or true, 
Christ is preached.  And because of this I rejoice.

I have no clue where Rick's heart is.  I know, for example, that he 
practices reverse tithing.  By that, he means that he gives away %90 
and lives on %10.  I know that he has been involved in a lot of 
mission projects and that he talks a lot about Christians being 
active in service, not just bench warmers at church.  I suppose that 
he is a lot more ecumenical  in his views both theologically and 
politically, but, guess what, Billy Gram says that he is moving in 
the same direction and has been doing so for a long time.  I remember 
the shake up in the conservative community in the early 90s when Gram 
announced that he had moved to ecumenism.  I don't know how it will 
all turn out.  What I do know is this, truth is truth and whatever 
way God truly says things should be is truth.  We are sinners, saved 
by grace, but our understanding is tainted by our upbringing, our 
theology and our surroundings. I would think that you, of all people, 
would understand this because of the criticisms that you have 
received for being a spirit filled, charismatic Baptist.  GRIN!  You 
have mentioned before that both camps say that you're wrong, but you 
stay focused on Christ, despite what they say, and this is as it should be.
          I know that God knows Rick Warren's heart.  If Rick has 
gone astray from God's will, God will deal with him, and probably 
severely, because he is in leadership.  If he is not of God, he will 
suffer for it.  I just don't see where it is my place to sit in 
judgment over him.  I hope that you can understand the distinction 
that I am making here.  If not, then God forgive me for being such a 
poor communicator.
Kathy

At 12:15 AM 12/2/2006, you wrote:
>I got to see Rick Warren on TV tonight.  He was trying to explain why he has
>all types of politicos and social activists coming to his big global
>conference meeting.  I won't try and transcribe the whole interview I saw
>but he basically said, if they are pro choice but believe in a man and woman
>only as husband and wife, or if a homosexual will come to dialogue on aids
>even though he may disagree with them otherwise, he wants to reach out to
>everybody.  Wow, almost sounds like Jesus, don't it?  Not so fast, there,
>quick draw.  Old Rick is speaking in political terms, not Biblical.  It just
>so happens, of course, the Bible crosses paths with his morals, at the
>moment.  I say, at the moment, because if you believe you can hang around
>all such types of lost people without being effected, then God bless you and
>you most certainly are a better man than I.  I can hardly stand living in
>the same hour with my daughter the way she lives.  If there weren't children
>involved that Sandy and I are responsible for, she wouldn't be living here.
>But then old Rick is a best seller and I'm not so that makes a big
>difference.  Plus, he's a pastor of a huge church and I'm not.  Finally,
>I've been accused of being cynical more than once and so it shall be.
>
>Phil.