Mag,
What you cite as an example has been going on in the disability support
services realm for years. My first job out of college was with a
disability services agency in Colorado, right before the minimum wage
was raised to $4.25 an hour. With that, I got a 30 cent an hour raise,
and I had a bachelor's degree.
The state of Wyoming has benefited greatly from the increase in oil and
natural gas prices, and passed legislation (actually a footnote to a
funding bill) for the state Developmental Disabilities Division that
mandated an increase in wages so that people start at around $7.50/hour,
and the average wage is $10.23. That's helped, but hasn't solved the
problem. Here's a reference to the report that drove that legislation:
http://ddd.state.wy.us/Documents/exsum.htm
Kendall
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Kathleen Salkin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:57 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [C-PALSY] what happens if we leave iraq too quickly and
some points the dems are right on
Also, don't forget that large corporations can use the minimum wage
to keep their salaries low - WalMart is the best example I can think of.
Kat
On 23 Oct 2006, at 01:11, Tamar Raine wrote:
Ken, I can see France and Spain... but not Belgium or the Netherlands...
And I think you're right about the west and southwest becoming a Mexican
territory again, the demographics are sure in the favor.
People always say the minimum wage was never meant to be a living
wage, it
was supposed to be a starting wage for high schoolers and then they were
supposed to climb the rungs of the employment ladder... the only
problem,
is that small businesses tend to keep people on min. wage as long as
they'll put up with it. for instance, the supported living agency that
helps me, tends to pay about 10.00 per hour plus tiny, tiny 50 cent
raises
if a person gets good reviews. after eight years that's got to be
frustrating for my one helper who completed her master's degree a
year ago.
She has begun to look for work in public administration. The agency
offered
her a job as co-director, but that means no overtime at 45,000 a
year, and
you get called out at all hours. She says that's not enough compensation
for her in her early 40's. It's a good job for mid 20's to mid
thirties. I
am lucky to have had angie so long, other clients are always looking for
new workers. On the other hand, other clients have behaviorial
challenges
that I don't. (though god forbid I forget to say could you and please
once
in a while) anyway, I think more pay could help keep workers happier in
their job. 100 clients and just about as many workers now with the
agency.
It's a mid sized biz now, I guess.
hugs to my favorite conservative,
Mag
Tamar Raine
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> [Original Message]
> From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 10/22/2006 7:16:39 PM
> Subject: Re: what happens if we leave iraq too quickly and some
> points
the dems are right on
>
>>
>> yes, it is ironic.
>>
>>
>> you know i know i am the list's right wing nut, but
>> i
>> know that the dems are not totally wrong on every
>> thing.
>>
>> i'll admit the war is not going well and not as
>> planned. no war goes as planned. if they did there
>> would never be a vitorious side. both sides have
>> plans, things go wrong and things have to be
>> changed.
>> right now, i just don't know what plans the dems
>> have
>> other than get out no matter what.
>>
>> i'll even go as far as to say if every body knew
>> back
>> at the beginning what we know now instead of what
>> everyone thought they knew, we might have not even
>> had
>> theresolution that congress passed for the
>> president.
>> hindsite is 20-20. but the "bush lied, people died"
>> approch is simplistic and disingenuous.
>>
>> as good as the ecconomy is, the minimum wage raise
>> promised by the dems would help my son and in turn
>> help me initially. a couple of years further and the
>> inflation it would cause would begin to take it
>> back,
>> but, maybe i'd be better off finacially then to face
>> the inflation. of course he'd have to work harder to
>> make up for the fact that newly hired people would
>> be
>> laid off because to pay for the raises of those that
>> stayed. but he's been there long enough to be safe.
>> so, while i'd not vote to hurt others to help
>> myself,
>> i'd not cry big tears if the minmum wage was raised.
>>
>>
>> just to get you more proof of my nuttiness as if you
>> think you need it, i think in the future france,
>> belgium, the netherlands and spain will likely be
>> muslim countries. no revolution, just demografics.
>>
>> possibly texas, new mexico, arizona, california, and
>> at least part of colorado will be northern states of
>> mexico or an independant latin american republic.
>> not
>> in my life time, but, in my grandchildrens lifetime.
>> the trends could be reversed, but, i do not think
>> they
>> will be.
>>
>> so now you know i am totally crazy. or am i?
>>
>> --- Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Of course, Jihad thinks it is getting rid of all
>> the
>>> infidels, and the
>>> Nazis were trying to get rid of everybody who
>> wasn't
>>> pure. ironic, isn't it?
>>>
>>> Mag
>>>
>>> Tamar Raine
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>>>
>>>> [Original Message]
>>>> From: Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Date: 10/22/2006 4:50:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: what happens if we leave iraq too
>>> quickly
>>>>
>>>> The last Japanese soldier came out from hiding
>> 20
>>> years ago I think. The
>>> war
>>>> for him ended that day. There were holdouts, of
>>> course. See:
>>>>
>>>
>>
> http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/germany-iran.htm
>>> but it is
>>> disputed
>>>> as to how many similarities there are between
>> Iraq
>>> and Germany. I guess
>>> the
>>>> biggest difference is the Islamic psychology of
>>> jihad.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cerebral Palsy List
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>>> ken barber
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:41 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: what happens if we leave iraq too
>>> quickly
>>>>
>>>> do you know that the troops were still being
>> shot
>>> at
>>>> as long as 7 years after the war was supposedly
>>> over?
>>>> in both places? i'd say they were quelling some
>>>> agression still. after that though i'd buy your
>>>> version, but not until after that. maybe you
>> don't
>>>> know as much history as you think. on the other
>>> hand
>>>> maybe i don't know as much as i think. maybe it
>> is
>>>> somewhere in-between. good to discuss though.
>>>>
>>>> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> True, but Germany did have a democracy before
>>>>> Hitler, and Japan was so
>>>>> shellshocked by defeat from an "inferior" foe,
>>> they
>>>>> took to democracy quite
>>>>> readily. You're not getting away with history
>>> that
>>>>> easily, Ken. I know
>>>>> history, too. I think the reason why we kept
>>>>> troops there was to make sure
>>>>> the communists wouldn't come over. It wasn't
>> to
>>>>> quell aggresson. And that
>>>>> to me is the big difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Cerebral Palsy List
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
>> Of
>>>>> ken barber
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:27 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: what happens if we leave iraq too
>>>>> quickly
>>>>>
>>>>> well, lets examine some of the places we have
>>>>> exported
>>>>> democracy. Japan is a good place to start. we
>>> had to
>>>>> keep troops there for years, but, japan
>> appears
>>> to
>>>>> have turned out pretty good. Germany under
>>> hitler
>>>>> was
>>>>> hardly a democracy. we left troops there many
>>> years,
>>>>> but, lookes like it turned out pretty good.
>> the
>>>>> common
>>>>> denominator seems to be the willingness to
>> take
>>> the
>>>>> time necessaary to plant a democracy. if you
>>> can't
>>>>> microwave one in a few minutes most will say,
>>> "it
>>>>> can't be done."
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