well said.
I am a bit slower then most. but I try to do my best.
take care
Hank
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louis Kim Kline" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: The joy of C W


> Hi Brett.
>
> I think the struggle between the brightest and the slowest students has
> always been a struggle in public education, and I think it will always be
> so.  I see it even with group instruction in adult populations.  It is 
> just
> one of the facets of people being individuals with individual strengths 
> and
> weaknesses.
>
> 73, de Lou K2LKK
>
>
>
> At 04:59 PM 12/18/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>>Lou you have a point.  I world scream vociferously if I lost privileges
>>as my wife has done with her tech plus.  She got that one before there
>>was a two tier Tech ticket.  As an advanced likewise I would be most
>>disappointed if I lost advance portions of the bands but I think some
>>remain or actually generals came up to our level of entry.
>>
>>As for basics in education, I am not sure I could pass the reading and
>>writing exit exams here in Idaho.  It would require that I go back and
>>read the same material as exit testing teaches the kids to pass tests as
>>that is all the teachers have time and motivation to focus on. They
>>cannot teach except in extracurricular or accelerated classes the
>>concepts of how to teach one's self as in a interdisciplinary zoology or
>>number theory class for mathematics.  Even the horticulture class my 4.0
>>daughter took her senior year she tells me did not go far enough.  She
>>was the top student in the class and wishes she could have had more
>>opportunity  but alas others in her class slowed everyone else down. =20
>>
>>
>>
>>BRETT WINCHESTER
>>[log in to unmask]
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: For blind ham radio operators
>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Louis Kim Kline
>>Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 4:47 PM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: The joy of C W
>>
>>Hi.
>>
>>This is straying a little off topic, but I had to respond to Brett's=20
>>point.  I will grant that there is some things that many people would
>>find=20
>>complex about testing in our current education system, but where I fault
>>
>>the American education system is that it does not adequately address the
>>
>>basics--that every person who graduates has good general reading skills,
>>
>>and that people can still do basic math without the aid of a=20
>>calculator.  Probably most people under thirty don't even think that is=20
>>important, but I've had the experience of having to try to deal with=20
>>someone in a checkout situation who couldn't get the answer out of the=20
>>machine and couldn't figure it out for themselves.  It is kind of fun=20
>>though to stand there in line and calculate the sales tax while they are
>>
>>trying to punch it into the register and then hand them the exact change
>>as=20
>>soon as they spit out the answer.  I usually get a response like "How
>>did=20
>>you know?"
>>
>>I think it is this kind of lack of attention to basics and the
>>willingness=20
>>to rely too much on the machine that is the basis for the feelings that
>>I=20
>>see being expressed here.
>>
>>Whether one compares the CW argument to this type of thing is probably a
>>
>>source of endless debate, and my own personal opinion is the CW is still
>>a=20
>>mode of operation worth possessing expertise in because of its weak
>>signal=20
>>capabilities, but in my opinion, it is probably not as important as some
>>of=20
>>the basic education problems in this country.
>>
>>Were it left up to me, I probably would leave the requirements in for=20
>>Extra, but allow them to be removed from the General class so that
>>people=20
>>who do not wish to do CW can get a full experience of HF phone, anyway.
>>
>>I am sure that there are those out there who would not be satisfied with
>>
>>that, and fortunately for those guys, they won out, so it doesn't really
>>
>>matter.
>>
>>73, de Lou K2LKK
>>
>>
>>
>>At 11:52 AM 12/18/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Phil, et al.,
>> >
>> >I am not so sure I agree with you as after seeing some of the required
>> >testing for high school graduation I am sure I would need to do some
>> >studying first as not all the answers are self evident nor were they
>> >reasonably close  to memory recall that they easily could be answered.
>> >And this all this after completing college and who knows how much
>> >additional training since. =3D20
>> >
>> >Oh yes the GPA was above average here. =3D20
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >BRETT WINCHESTER
>> >[log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: For blind ham radio operators
>> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Scovell
>> >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:02 AM
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >Subject: Re: The joy of C W
>> >
>> >Ed,
>> >
>> >You've got a good point there, especially when we have people
>>graduating
>> >from high school who can't read.  That's why I say that I am afraid
>>that
>> >within my life time, the FCC might even ban the CW mode.
>> >
>> >Phil.
>> >K0NX
>>
>>Louis Kim Kline
>>A.R.S. K2LKK
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>
> Louis Kim Kline
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