I have a gap of some kind here, given me by a friend.  It works quite 
well.  I don't have any radials, it is mounted about rooff high.  It 
does have a wierd horizontal loop, about 6 or 7 feet, at the bottom 
which acts as some kind of counterpose.
73s
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006, Louis Kim 
Kline wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Actually, in my previous post, I commented that the GAP Titan operates as a
> ground independent vertical.  It does so because it is designed to behave
> electrically as a vertical dipole, rather than as a quarter wave loaded
> against ground.
>
> 73, de Lou K2LKK
>
>
>
> At 11:36 AM 11/11/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>> Frankly,  Richard,  I know of no verticals that will perform well if they
>> aren't ground-mounted or don't have radials.  I thought the SteppIr could be
>> operated without radials.
>>
>> Don't know what your situation is there.  Even running a couple wires to a
>> fense would help.  Or, what about a small rotor on the roof with a small
>> beam using a loading coil to work 40?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Richard Fiorello" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 11:04 AM
>> Subject: antenna info
>>
>>
>>> Hi Everyone;
>>> Since I have the winter to investigate I've been looking at hf verticals.
>>> I'd like something that at least covers 40 through 10 meters and 80 meters
>>> would be a nice extra.
>>> I have used two r8 by cushcraft which have come down so we can cross that
>>> one off my list.  After reading reviews I have temporarily eliminated the
>>> dx77.  Since I would prefer something that I can roof mount and don't have
>>> to add radials that seems to eliminate butternut, step-ir and others.  I'm
>>> far from an antenna expert and I wonder what else is out there that I
>>> don't
>>> know about.  I have looked at the dx88 but it apparently is best ground
>>> mounted with radials.
>>> Any words of wisdom will be appreciated.
>>> Richard
>>>
>
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