But Angel,
Salvation is through Christ alone, not through belief in the God of
Abraham. that's a pretty big difference, wouldn't you say? Not to
mention that they believe only in salvation through works. they are
willing to kill themselves because that is the best work
possible. They want to get to heaven on their own, through the
sacrifice of their own blood, not the blood of Jesus. Those are
pretty big differences.
Kathy
At 08:36 PM 1/27/2006, you wrote:
>I guess if heaven is not "material things" we won't be playing football or
>eating ice cream or whatever that was some wanted to eat on the list when
>they at last got to Heaven. Not to mention the mansions or the streets of
>gold as those are material. Don't forget the crowns of gold and white
>robes. In the apocalypse St. John describes a very material heaven. What
>about the glorified bodies we are suppose to have. Aren't they material as
>well else how in heaven's name are we to know each other. All those who
>have returned from these near death experiences have seen a material heaven
>which they say is just as real as what we see here on earth. I suppose as
>heaven is not material I may as well forget about sight and healing in
>heaven as I won't have a material body? Is that what you are saying?
>Regarding Islam being a cult, this is not true. Their faith and beliefs are
>different than our beliefs but their faith is no cult. If you read the
>Curran you will see they also believe in the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
>They have also a strong belief in Jesus. One of the the fundamental things
>upon which we differ is the person/god nature of Jesus. This is a
>fundamental of the Christian faith that Jesus was in truth God who came down
>as propitiation for our sins. The Moslem does not believe this. I believe
>this is the main difference between us though there are others which I will
>not mention here as I don't want to write a discourse. But to imply they do
>not believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is just wrong. This is
>why there are Jihads. They grow out of basic ignorance of the faith of the
>other.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Karen Carter <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:37 AM
>Subject: Re: Fw: What's With All the Blind Clerics?
>
>
> > No I have never read the Koran nor do I intend to read any cult books.
>The Bible is the only book I need written from the real God. Father of
>Isaac and Abraham. The Koran is written by a human wanting to think you can
>have material things for ever. The Bible says all these earthly things
>shall pass away
> > Yes we are to receive all good things but it also says there will be no
>marraige in heaven there is no need for it. Remember the part where the
>women married the next brother each time her husband would die and they
>asked which she would be married to in Heaven. None of them. Phil or Brad
>you can probably tell what verse and explain what good things we receive in
>Heaven way better than I can. Heaven is not material things.
> >
> > --
> > I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
>there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there
>is
> >
> > IN GOD WE TRUST
> > Karen Carter '74
> > -KC- Ministries
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > Read the Curran. It is 70 virgins and 70 brides. Doesn't the bible say
>to
> > > us we shall receive all good things once we arrive at heaven's gate. Of
> > > course it does. These are things valued by Moslem men particularly
>young
> > > ones.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Karen Carter <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Fw: What's With All the Blind Clerics?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I was thinking of those guys who flew into the tower because they were
> > > told that Ala was going to give thme fifty virgins each and a bunch of
>other
> > > earthly things. I bet they were surprised when they got there found out
> > > that there is no need for virgins because in the spirit world we will
>not
> > > have any sexes. Plus there was not a sacrifice like they thought it was
> > > suicide and destruction of their temples (bodies)
> > > > --
> > > > I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
> > > there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out
>there
> > > is
> > > >
> > > > IN GOD WE TRUST
> > > > Karen Carter '74
> > > > -KC- Ministries
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Why do you say this? What do you know of Islam that you would say
>such
> > > a
> > > > > thing? I have very good Moslem friends and I don't believe any
>would
> > > > > sacrifice their sight to gain favor with God. However, I think it
>is
> > > noble
> > > > > to be willing to do such a thing. After all Jesus said it is better
>to
> > > > > enter the kingdom of heaven with one hand or one eye or perhaps no
>eyes
> > > than
> > > > > to be cast in to hell for eternity. I wish I had that sort of zeal
>for
> > > God
> > > > > but alas I don't I fear.?
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Karen Carter <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:10 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: What's With All the Blind Clerics?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > They probably sacraficed their eyes or whaat have you to get
>blessing
> > > from
> > > > > Ala.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find
>out
> > > > > there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find
>out
> > > there
> > > > > is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IN GOD WE TRUST
> > > > > > Karen Carter '74
> > > > > > -KC- Ministries
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > > > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > > This is interesting. It seems the cultures with the highest
> > > restraints
> > > > > > > against our full participation in society will jump at the
>chance to
> > > > > cast us
> > > > > > > in clerical roles as if to say, "God will embrace these people
>even
> > > if
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > won't."
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Blind World Magazine <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > To: Blind News <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:21 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: What's With All the Blind Clerics?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What's With All the Blind Clerics?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > January 20, 2006.
> > > > > > > > By Daniel Engber,
> > > > > > > > Slate - USA.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Omar Abdel Rahman: the blind bomber
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri denied preaching racial
> > > hatred in
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > British courtroom on Thursday. Al-Masri has been linked to the
> > > > > would-be
> > > > > > > > shoe-bomber Richard Reid and stands accused of starting a
> > > terrorist
> > > > > > > training
> > > > > > > > camp in Oregon. Most news reports also mention that al-Masri
>has
> > > only
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > > eye and no hands. It seems like we're always hearing about
>blind
> > > or
> > > > > > > > half-blind Muslim clerics-what's the deal?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is a pattern of the blind leading the not-blind in
>modern
> > > Islam.
> > > > > A
> > > > > > > > traditional Muslim education in some ways favors the blind,
>since
> > > it
> > > > > > > > proceeds largely through the repetition and memorization of
>sacred
> > > > > texts.
> > > > > > > > Children chant Quranic verses until they know them by heart;
>those
> > > who
> > > > > > > learn
> > > > > > > > the whole book often receive advanced religious training.
>Blind
> > > > > kids-who
> > > > > > > > often make up for their disability with a finely tuned sense
>of
> > > > > > > hearing-tend
> > > > > > > > to do quite well at this.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Children who can't see may also get pushed toward the clergy
>by
> > > their
> > > > > > > > parents. Clerics often preach through the artful recitation of
>the
> > > > > > > > Quran-something a blind person can learn to do as well as
>anyone
> > > else.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > > same child would be at a severe disadvantage in a conventional
> > > > > classroom,
> > > > > > > > and he'd have a harder time holding down a regular job.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Muslims have revered blind clerics for over 1,000 years. In
>one
> > > scene
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Quran, the Prophet frowns and turns away from a blind man,
>only to
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > Allah castigate him for rejecting a spiritual seeker. The man,
> > > called
> > > > > > > > Abdullah ibn Umm Maktum, became an important early follower of
>the
> > > > > > > Prophet.
> > > > > > > > (The tradition of blind religious figures extends back to
>early
> > > > > Judaism
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > Christianity as well.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Today, even blind people without religious training enjoy a
> > > certain
> > > > > level
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > respect in the Muslim world. Turks, for example, refer to a
>blind
> > > man
> > > > > as a
> > > > > > > > hafiz-meaning one who has completely memorized the
>Quran-whether
> > > or
> > > > > not he
> > > > > > > > has earned the title. In Egypt, blind men are casually
>described
> > > as
> > > > > > > > moulanas, a term of respect given to Muslim scholars.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Another factor in the prevalence of blind clerics may be the
>high
> > > > > rates of
> > > > > > > > blindness in Arab countries. A 2002 study, for example,
>reveals a
> > > dire
> > > > > > > > situation in Lebanon, Oman, and Morocco, where more than 5
>percent
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > people over the age of 50 couldn't see.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The blind clerics most often mentioned in the Western press
>are
> > > > > radical
> > > > > > > > jihadis like Abu Hamza al-Masri or Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman-the
> > > "blind
> > > > > > > sheik"
> > > > > > > > accused of masterminding the World Trade Center bombing of
>1993.
> > > But
> > > > > blind
> > > > > > > > clerics are just as likely to be moderates. The revered Saudi
> > > > > Abdelaziz
> > > > > > > ibn
> > > > > > > > Baaz, for example, renounced violence in the name of
>installing
> > > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > governments. He also issued a fatwa allowing Muslim men to
>take
> > > > > Viagra.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In fact, blindness could be a liability within the most
>militant
> > > sects
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > Islam. In the 1980s, members of the Egyptian jihad movement
> > > debated
> > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > Abdel Rahman's blindness made him a poor operational leader.
>The
> > > > > strongest
> > > > > > > > voice opposing him belonged to Ayman al-Zawahiri, now thought
>to
> > > be
> > > > > > > > al-Qaida's No. 2 figure.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Explainer thanks Richard Antoun of the State University of New
> > > York,
> > > > > > > Mahmoud
> > > > > > > > Ayoub of Temple University, Fawaz Gerges of Sarah Lawrence,
>and
> > > > > Valerie
> > > > > > > > Hoffman of the University of Illinois.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Source URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2134506/#.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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