Yeah, but in the beginning radios for 150 MHz  and 450 MHz were 
fantastically expensive, too.  But, sooner or later those radios start to 
get retired, and then they have a way of making their way into ham shacks 
for conversion to amateur frequencies.

73, de Lou K2LKK



At 08:56 PM 3/3/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>cost is the issue, I looked at some. EBay might be the only hope though they
>spend thousands and thousands of dollars to get on GMRS so some probably
>would go that route.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Louis Kim Kline" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 7:04 PM
>Subject: Re: accessible 220 rigs
>
>
>Hi.
>
>You would think that at some point in time some of the land mobile gear
>from the 220 to 222 MHz band would start to make its way into the Amateur
>Radio Service just as it did in the early days of 2 meters and 70 cm.  If
>that happens, then losing that lower 2 MHz of the 220 band might not be all
>bad.
>
>73, de Lou K2LKK
>
>   might
>
>At 11:07 PM 3/2/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> >i guess that must be the reasoning.
> >However, not understanding completely the specific components used, i will
> >speculate that 220MHZ and VHF or UHF components would be the same, or in
> >any
> >event, they could use the VHF PA or UHF PA for the 220 transmitter.
> >So, just as they must modify the E versions of the equipment for less band
> >coverage, they could also fairly easily use a software modification for
> >north american versions to allow operation on 220...again, speculation.  It
> >may well require a separate PA.
> >This said however, if kenwood made a module for 220 just as they make one
> >for 1.2GHZ for the TS2000, it could work out rather well.
> >I have not seen any 220 transverters either...wonder if they are even made?
> >Unfortunately, it would seem as though the big 3 are only making handhelds
> >right now with 220 capabilities.
> >This sort of restricts most 220 operations to repeater use or relatively
> >near field hand held to hand held simplex comms....unless external antennas
> >or PA's are used.
> >Anyway, i guess if there is so much of a lack of interest in 220, what
> >would
> >be the point.
> >I guess its really a matter of options...most places have plenty of room on
> >2M and 70CM and there is absolutely no need to use anything
> >else...especially since 2m and 70CM equipment is so readily availible both
> >amateur and camercial rigs for very very low prices.
> >Regards
> >Colin
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Louis Kim Kline" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:44 PM
> >Subject: Re: accessible 220 rigs
> >
> >
> > > Hi Colin.
> > >
> > > The reason why the equipment is so hard to come by is that outside of
> >North
> > > America, it isn't a ham band.  That means that they would have to make a
> > > major modification to the North American rigs, which only a few people
> > > would take advantage of.  I think they decided that it wasn't worth the
> > > trouble.
> > >
> > > 73, de Lou K2LKK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 02:26 PM 3/2/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >the 220 band should be utilized for data coms more then it is.
> > > >Especially the newer digital voice stuff that is availible to
> >hams....either
> > > >way, there is so much potential for that since the band width is pretty
> > > >large on 220.
> > > >But again, its the equipment that is a little hard to come by, and
> > > >therefore, no one really uses it.
> > > >I know in the bigger centers such as LA and new york and so on, with
> > > >the
> >2M
> > > >and 70CM bands packed nearly to their limits, 220 is a good alternative
> >for
> > > >simplexers or echolink/IRLP repeaters/nodes.
> > > >If kenwood and icom and yaesu came out with some 2M/125CM rigs or
> >125/70CM
> > > >rigs, i think they would sell pretty good and get some interest in
> >220...but
> > > >it seems like 220 is always packaged with a tri-bander or quad band
> > > >which
> > > >many people either don't want to dish out the money for, or who believe
> >it
> > > >useless.
> > > >I think kenwood could have very easily put 220 into the TS2000 but
> > > >chose
> >not
> > > >to for some reason.
> > > >Same goes for most of the other all band rigs out there that can
> > > >receive
> >220
> > > >but don't transmit...i guess its the lost band of amateur radio....then
> > > >again, most bands above 1.2 gigs are pretty much unused.
> > > >73
> > > >Colin, V A6BKX
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Jeff Kenyon" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:54 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: accessible 220 rigs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > There are a few repeaters on 220 in my area, and one is always
> > > > > active
> >on
> > > > > there because it is linked with a 2-meter repeater.  I don't know
> > > > > what
> > > > > will liven up 220, but I think that we'll loose it if we don't use
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, John Miller wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ya, that's the only HT but it's dead around here, some will say
> >there's
> > > >some
> > > > > > activity but I have yet to hear anything in the last few years.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jeff Kenyon" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:22 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: accessible 220 rigs
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The THF6A does make 220 rigs, but I don't know about the rest of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > country, but 220 around here is typically dead to the world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, John Miller wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > not current models, in fact the current models are junk anyway,
> >there
> > > >are
> > > > > > > some good older ones out there like the Kenwood 3530A and the
> >like,
> > > >Icom
> > > > > > > IC-37a or H,  stuff like that. ADI and alinco are the only 2
> >companies
> > > > > > > making them now and the ADI's are notorious for problems as are
> >most
> > > >ADI
> > > > > > > radios, and the alinco is not accessible I hear as most alincos
> >are
> > > >and if
> > > > > > > it's like it's 2 meter version, the finals won't last more than
> > > > > > > a
> >year
> > > >or
> > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > at most at a time.
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:30 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: accessible 220 rigs
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi list:
> > > > > > > are there any accessible, meaning voice synth capable, 220
> > > > > > > mobile
> >rigs
> > > > > > > availible?
> > > > > > > And if not necesarily voice synth capable, then generally
> > > > > > > usable.
> > > > > > > I know there are the multi-band bass rigs and so on that can
> > > > > > > have
> >the
> > > > > > > voice
> > > > > > > synths installed, but i am looking for a mono-band mobile that i
> >can
> > > >use
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > get some interest in 220 around here.
> > > > > > > 73
> > > > > > > Colin, V A6BKX
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Louis Kim Kline
> > > A.R.S. K2LKK
> > > Home e-mail:  [log in to unmask]
> > > Work e-mail:  [log in to unmask]
> > > Work Telephone:  (585) 697-5753
> > >
>
>Louis Kim Kline
>A.R.S. K2LKK
>Home e-mail:  [log in to unmask]
>Work e-mail:  [log in to unmask]
>Work Telephone:  (585) 697-5753

Louis Kim Kline
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