Yah. When I lead people to Christ I keep inviting them to church Bible studies and such. Unfortunately I have not led to many to Christ. But I always try to be an example of him.
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I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is
IN GOD WE TRUST
Karen Carter '74
-KC- Ministries
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From: Lyn Cooper <[log in to unmask]>
> Karen,
>
> I agree with you. If we had our children and ten didn't feed them their
> bottles how would they know to drink them?
> For unto us a child is born. Unto us a son is given.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Poor Judas
>
>
> >I think that the people really get saved but part of the problem that
> >causes them to turn away from the Lord is that we lead them to Christ but
> >than drop them like hot potatoes so they are new born babes thrown into the
> >world to fend for themsalves and we know they cannot. So once we bring
> >them to the Lord we need to stay close so we can menter them and make them
> >stronger so that when they go into the world (lions den) they have the
> >equipment to defend themselves and stand strong.
> >
> > --
> > I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
> > there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out
> > there is
> >
> > IN GOD WE TRUST
> > Karen Carter '74
> > -KC- Ministries
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: April Reisinger <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Dear Angel,
> >>
> >> I also am a Baptist and I believe that God's salvation is secure. I do
> >> believe, however, that we can choose to abandon the free gift. If we do
> >> that, it is not God who has changed, but we who have--which would wonder
> >> me
> >> to the question did we ever get saved in the first place?
> >>
> >> April
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:51 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Poor Judas
> >>
> >>
> >> > It truly is a puzzler isn't it. I guess that sort of screws up the
> >> > idea
> >> > of
> >> > being eternally save doesn't it. My sister is a Baptist and that is
> >> > what
> >> > she believes. If Jesus knew Judas would never attain salvation why
> >> > then
> >> > did
> >> > he make him a disciple in the first place. God certainly could have
> >> > sent
> >> > him help during his depression to cause him to live and see the rising
> >> > of
> >> > Our Lord and receive salvation? Perhaps he was predestined as was the
> >> > Jesus' mother for this fate. She was predestined after all. However
> >> > as
> >> > they didn't fully realize their positions in the greater scheme of
> >> > things,
> >> > well, perhaps Mary did, we don't understand our own predestony.
> >> > Another
> >> > question to ponder. If Judas was predestined to fall and to fail then
> >> > he
> >> > truly had no choice which causes him to even be a more sorrowful
> >> > character.
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: MV <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:43 AM
> >> > Subject: Poor Judas
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Angel,
> >> >>
> >> >> I agree we are predestined to use our free will as we both made
> >> >> mention
> >> >> in
> >> >> an earlier post and I'm not even Catholic *big cheezy smile*, actually
> >> >> I'm
> >> >> probably a denominational mutt having grown up Lutheran, married in a
> >> >> Moravian church, served in a couple non-denominational churches, as
> >> >> well
> >> > as
> >> >> one inter-denominational church, recently came from a Baptist church
> >> >> and
> >> >> now attending an Assembly of God that seems to have balance apart from
> >> >> other O G churches I'll not make mention here. I've moved a few times
> >> >> in
> >> > my
> >> >> life which caused me to look about and search out churches making a
> >> >> difference and teaching the word. Anyway that wasn't my point of this
> >> > email
> >> >> I guess I just realized I guess I'm a freewiller as to grasping the
> >> >> Word
> >> >> for what it is and not so much a denominational marriage, which there
> >> >> is
> >> >> nothing wrong with that, I guess I just hadn't taken that road. Anyway
> >> >> My
> >> >> real point is, actually there are two, are...
> >> >>
> >> >> Point #1, you mentioned about we are predestined to freewill. But also
> >> > said...
> >> >>
> >> >> "This is why I have always felt sorry for Judas. He was the one God
> >> >> had
> >> >> planned to betray Jesus."
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you saying he was predestined but we're not? I think I had
> >> >> wondered
> >> >> this here before on list that if Judas hadn't chose to follow through,
> >> >> would someone else have stepped up? I'm thinking of another person at
> >> >> a
> >> >> critical time of history who had a choice. Ester when her uncle told
> >> >> her
> >> >> upon her unwillingness to plead to the king on behalf of the Jews...
> >> >> "For if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance will
> >> >> arise
> >> >> for the Jews from another place and you and your father's house will
> >> >> perish. And who knows whether you have not attained royalty for such a
> >> > time
> >> >> as this?"-- Ester 4:14
> >> >>
> >> >> So it appears as Ester had a choice and God would see to it this thing
> >> >> would be accomplished one way or the other. Such could also be said
> >> >> for
> >> >> Judas I wonder.
> >> >>
> >> >> Point #2 is I always had questioned whether or not Judas was actually
> >> >> a
> >> >> gonner spiritually. I mean it seemed unfair, especially if he was
> >> >> somehow
> >> >> destined to be the trigger man of Christ's crucifixion. If you look he
> >> > felt
> >> >> remorse, gave the 30 pieces of silver back and guilt took over so much
> >> >> so
> >> >> he hung himself. I had, in my thoughts, questioned preachers when
> >> >> they
> >> >> mentioned Judas is in hell for his betrayal. To me it seemed he must
> >> >> have
> >> >> had a first rate relationship with Christ to be among the twelve, and
> >> > with
> >> >> all who were after Christ for healing folks right under their noses,
> >> >> on
> >> > the
> >> >> Sabbath yet, they had good reason to go after him without a betray or
> >> >> so
> >> >> that will be another question for me to wonder. However, after reading
> >> >> and
> >> >> looking up some definitions of the Scripture in Strong's
> >> >> Greek/Hebrew, I
> >> >> see that Judas indeed, by Jesus' words is in fact a gonner. Jesus
> >> >> said...
> >> >>
> >> >> "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have
> >> >> given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son
> >> >> of
> >> >> perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled." --John 17:12
> >> >>
> >> >> Looking up the word parish in the original it is...
> >> >>
> >> >> NT:622 apollumi (ap-ol'-loo-mee); from NT:575 and the base of NT:3639;
> >> >> to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or
> >> > figuratively:
> >> >> KJV - destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
> >> >>
> >> >> Looking up the word "perdition" it is defined...
> >> >> NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622;
> >> >> ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):
> >> >> KJV - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish,
> >> > pernicious
> >> >> ways, waste.
> >> >>
> >> >> I suppose the latter word could be stretched as to say he only died
> >> >> physically as that is one of it's definitions but that coupled with
> >> >> the prior word being "fully" destroyed, and the fact the two words
> >> >> are
> >> >> connected as a derivative, gives connotation Judas won't be among
> >> >> those
> >> >> we
> >> >> see in eternity with God. It is difficult to see how a man who could
> >> >> walk
> >> >> with Christ as his disciple has fallen, and then look at our own lives
> >> >> and
> >> >> consider we will not fall eternally despite our sin and levels of
> >> >> betrayal
> >> >> if we accept, believe and trust in Christ. The one guy who you'd
> >> >> expect
> >> >> to have the pardon of pardons, especially if this was a destined
> >> >> position
> >> >> for him somehow, would be Judas. His very part in history provided the
> >> >> segue for all mankind to have eternal life despite sin. It is
> >> >> definitely
> >> >> perplexing to me.
> >> >>
> >> >> Brad
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Brad
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing else ruins the truth like stretching it
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
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