Brad,

I think that's part of it for him; as well as I'm to old to change.  Please
continue to pray for him.

Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Man's man


> Vicki,
>
> Well if enough folks talk to him, maybe that will cause him to stop and
> think perhaps there is something to what others have to say about it. I
> wonder what his fear of it is. For me years back was I didn't want to
> lose  my way of life. I pictured church people as straight backed, clean
> shaven, lily white skinned, pathetically polite people in sweaters with
> leather patches on the elbows and if their kids misbehaved badly to a
point
> of embarrassment in public it was "Now Jimmy chuckle chuckle that's just
> about enough of that for now OK? Good boy". I had a tainted impression
> based upon some poor examples. I'm not saying Christians out be unshaven
> rude people, but my impression was picket fence hypocrites and wanted no
> part of being fake. I'd rather wanted to stay me even if I was off, but at
> least I was what you saw. So anyway, perhaps he too has a wrong impression
> and thinks Christians are boring folks and if he becomes one, he'll too be
> boring lol.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> At 04:02 PM 1/21/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> >Mom has talked with him too.  But he doesn't want to listen.  I'm
> >considering a couple of other options too.  But he likes my Oatmeal
Raisin
> >cookies.  We might have a talk over a cookie.  My sister is quite anti.
> >There isn't an open door there right now at all.
> >
> >Thanks for your concern and prayers.
> >
> >Vicki
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:11 PM
> >Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Man's man
> >
> >
> > > Vicki,
> > >
> > > Glad to hear your mom has made that step. Has she tried talking to him
> > > about it, or perhaps you and mom together? Sounds like your sister
might
> > > need to sit in  as well from what you said. Maybe you need to get some
> >duct
> > > tape and tape his lips together and have him sit on his hands and
listen
> >to
> > > the plain facts of life *smile*. It is hard sometimes to gain respect
from
> > > a relative, let alone a child telling a parent what the score is. One
> >thing
> > > I know about Bear is he was witnessed to many times, the preacher as
you
> > > saw in the article was subject to a number of abuses going in there to
> >talk
> > > to him, and yet he was softened by that constant reminder and tangible
> > > evidence someone cared.  Had the prisoner not taken that last step  of
> > > making a bet with him, and no one did anything else to witness to
Bear,
> > > he'd likely not be where he is today. I pray your dad is afforded yet
> > > another try, and another, and another until he sees the truth. And
someone
> > > with boldness and who might have a way to gain the respect needed to
have
> > > him listen crosses his path.
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > > At 01:32 PM 1/21/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >Great article Brad.  Thanks for sharing.  It really points up the
fact
> >that
> > > >God knows how to reach each and every one of us.
> > > >
> > > >Dad is a very kind and giving person.  I'm not sure why this other
part
> >of
> > > >him is hardened to the Gospel, but God knows.
> > > >
> > > >Vicki
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:21 PM
> > > >Subject: [ECHURCH-USA] Man's man
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Vicki,
> > > > >
> > > > > Check this link out. If God can turn Bear around, he can change
> >anyone.
> > > > > I've heard Bear speak and met him a couple times, he was good
friends
> >with
> > > > > a friend of mine,  and the link here doesn't tell the half of his
> >story.
> > > >So
> > > > > your dad is a cream puff compared to what this man endured, only
he
> >don't
> > > > > know it yet lol. To tell you just how a Teddy Bear Richard became,
my
> > > >buddy
> > > > > bought a little teddy bear on one of their motorcycle trips and
put it
> >in
> > > > > his pack for him to find. My friend had walked up to him when he
was
> >at
> > > >his
> > > > > bike and found this six foot something mountain of a man  with
tears
> >down
> > > > > his face over the act of kindness and I suppose so much a freeing
> >opposite
> > > > > compared to what he lived all those years.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.circuitridersdfw.org/page8.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad
> > > > >
> > > > >    Work is for people who don't know how to write songs
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >    Get educated, not frustrated
> > >
>
> Brad
>
>    Give Satan an inch & he'll be a ruler
>