yep,  you can really notice it if you use vox with the tx monitor on...
plus compression, which also seems to have a slight delay.
73
Colin, V A6BKX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Reedy" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: VOX


> Hi Colin and others,
>
> There is a delay system with the newer kenwood rigs.  When you use a
> head-set, you will notice it.
>
> 73 Keith-wa9dro
> Keith Reedy
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> On Sep 22, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>
> > Kevin:
> > On the higher end rigs, the vox can be really taylored and can
> > sound pretty
> > good.
> > On my TS570, i can use vox without the other operator being aware
> > of it most
> > times...
> > that is partially because i speak different when using vox...you
> > must talk
> > differently, inserting pauses, and speaking perhaps more quickly or
> > flowing
> > different words together in order to make sure that things dont get
> > choppy.
> > I think many operators haven't perfected this and so they tend to
> > just leave
> > a big long pause instead of keeping the vox enabled by speaking.
> > I find that when an operator is using vox, they certainly tend to
> > leave
> > bigger pauses which leads one to sometimes think they are
> > done...whereas,
> > most guys when they are using a microphone dont pause and even if
> > there is
> > no back ground  noise, you can generally tell when they are done
> > because
> > there is a long pause without audio....
> > Also, i think with a microphone, operators tend to use over or back
> > to you
> > more then with VOX...there is some amount of assumtion that when
> > using vox,
> > the faster more flowing conversation can take place without long
> > pauses
> > between transmisions...and for some this works, but for many its
> > just an
> > irritant.
> > I have heard stations operating in almost a full duplex mode by
> > having the
> > vox set just right and knowing the other operator, allowing just
> > enough
> > pause there to let him get the comments inserted right into the
> > other guys
> > sentence and still be heard.
> > Anyway, as i said, on the 570, the vox is very clean...i almost
> > wonder if
> > there isn't some sort of circuit which catches the audio coming
> > from the
> > microphone and then once the radio keys up, sends that audio, a
> > time delay
> > circuit which helps to prevent that choppy sound that accompanies the
> > operator speaking and the radio keying up a milli second later.
> > In large live sound applications, delay circuits are used to
> > prevent that
> > choppy sound of a gait being engaged or to prevent allot of echo
> > from the
> > delay between mike and the speakers that occurs due to line loss
> > and having
> > to go through various components.
> > A cheaper vox circuit may not have these time delays built in, so
> > it doesn't
> > compensate for the time it takes the radio to key up after you begin
> > speaking.
> > 73
> > Colin, V A6BKX
> >
> >
>