On Fri, 27 May 2005 21:44, Kristina K. Carlton wrote:

>I wondered if there is any validity to his diet. In the
>meantime I have found out that he allows raw dairy
>(and I am lactose intolerant), encourages eating many
>raw eggs per day (I am intolerant to eggs), and they
>actually encourage people NOT to eat raw veggies.
>Raw fruits are ok and veggie juice, but not eating
>veggies due to the cellulose. Here is what one
>of the list group members said:
>
>>" I very rarely eat veggies at all as the cellulose they contain is
>>indigestible when raw, and obviously I don't want to cook them
>>as that creates toxins. Also raw vegetables taste pretty bad
>>in my opinion and are extremely nutrient-poor per kilo
>>compared to raw animal foods. They also seem to cause
>>stomach-aches when I have eaten them with raw animal foods.
>Strictly speaking, if I'm travelling and there's no reliable meat or fruit
>>around I might have a carrot or two but that happens once or
>>twice a year.
>
>>I used to avoid juiced veg as well as I did not consider it to be
>>exactly a Palaeolithic food! After a while I noticed that I had
>>become a bit lethargic, and some Primal Dieters told me that
>>this was because of the toxins from my cooked-food days
>>being released from the fat cells and thereby  gradually
>>acidifying the blood over time. I then had a couple of
>>juiced veg drinks which solved the problem completely. However,
>>after a while I noticed that I got diarrhea after drinking juiced
>>veg regularly, no doubt because it isn't really a natural food,
>>and I found that I didn't need it any more  as I was no longer
>>tired. These days, I consider  juiced veg as something I should
>>have only once or twice every few months or so, more as a
>>sort of occasional medicine rather than as a major or minor
>>proportion of the diet, and this has worked out fine for me
>>healthwise."
>
>Any thoughts on these comments, Aajonus' books, or this 'Primal Diet'
>in general? I am not sure I am ready to give up veggies and eat raw
>organ meats or raw fish.
>
>Any input is greatly appreciated.
>
>TIA,
>
>Kristina

Kristina - this reads like speculative day-dreaming by a zealot who is twisting a few specially
selected pieces of evidence to match their beliefs. A helpful "early warning sign" is the throw-away
use of the word TOXINS. Most references to toxins in terms of human diet come from people who
have no idea what they are writing about; it is a term they wheel out to explain anything
inexplicable in terms of their belief system.  Ask the writer 'what toxin?' and for their references.
They won't know and they won't pursue (other than by quoting another zealot from within their
closed circle) as they are not psychologically inclined to seek information which might undermine
their beliefs.  You'll also occasionally find that such zealots are 'weirdos' in other ways and have
difficulty maintaining long term relationships.

I would, however, like to know about the virus that afflicted Eliot Glick.  That's consistent with
evolutionary medicine.  There are many viruses today that have emerged since the Pleistocene,
evolving to occupy niches created by the domestication and unnaturally-confined living of animals
and human co-habitation with those animals. (H5N1 avian 'flu is a topical example.)  Hence, there
may be viral risks which we take today when we eat meat, risks that were unknown in the
Pleistocene.

Keith