Yup.

But, I'm not sure there's a lot of folks fighting against democracy.  
There sure are a lot of folks fighting us.  We are a democracy.  But we 
ain't democracy.  One can be against us and for democracy.  (Its 
getting easier all the time.)

-jc

On Jan 10, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Pamela S. Follett wrote:

> But it seems to me that having a natural disaster (mindful of course 
> that's it's a pretty damned bad one) that a lot of people who normally 
> would be fighting tooth and nail against democracy are lending a hand 
> because they know that deep down it's for the ultimate good of the 
> society as a whole.  Rebels helping their governments - they very 
> people they have dis-spized (having problems spelling, so I went with 
> a pronunciation key) - may finally get what they really need just by 
> helping their own and pulling up their own bootstraps rather than 
> having us step in to do it for them, which ever side we fall on.
>  
> - Pam
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 16:36
> Subject: Re: [BP] this just in on condom testing...
>
> Yup. That's why I think he's there. But, there are folks who will be 
> of the opinion that it is because he has experience and expertise. 
> Arguing that point will only make you look like a sore looser.
>
> Democracy? Well, Jim, this is kind of philosophical, but democracy is 
> pretty damned good... for most folks, most of the time and there are 
> lots of folks committed to preventing democracy from taking hold in 
> lots of places. I think its in our interest to foil the later. I also 
> think feeding hungry people, clothing poor people, housing the 
> homeless and educating folks are in our interest. Keeping the peace, 
> certainly is in our interest. People who are well fed and busy going 
> to school, earning a living, or managing their communities don't have 
> a whole lot of time left over for acquiring weapons of mass 
> destruction...and damned little reason to direct them at me.
>
> See, I haven't REALLY drifted to the right.
>
> -jc
>
> On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Jim Follett wrote:
>
>
> Kind of why he's in S.E. Asia, don't you think? I have to ask, why do 
> we need to be the worlds peace keeper, I don't care if democracy never 
> makes it to the middle east, and where are the WMD we originally went 
> looking for?
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John 
> Callan
>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:07 PM
>
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Subject: Re: [BP] this just in on condom testing...
>
>
> I hear the nonsense, you hear the nonsense, but 51% of the voters 
> heard what they wanted to hear. Best start listening to what the 
> persuadable 3-4% are hearing, unless you want to help elect Jeb.
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Met History wrote:
>
>
> ''I know it's hard, but it's hard for a reason.''   President Bush, 
> speaking today on terrorist attacks before the vote in Iraq. 
>  
> Like, it would be hard without a reason.
>  
> sign me,  res publica