Carol,

No, we can't save or rather be used by God to help bring salvation to all
such folks. Having gone through what I refer to as "situational depression"
after I realized my sight was headed south, and having difficulties with
marriage and etc. I too went throuigh these thoughts.  I considered in my
mind how it might be done to not jepardize insurance money, a blind
accident, and when all sorted out, I figured it wasn't worth that. Nothing
is worth losing one's life over. It is then when I turned things around. I
guess it is at this point where some continue the downwrd spiral. Plus my
wife had a close call with it, and also has had severe bouts with these
thoughts in a bottom of seasons of depression.

Brad




At 09:10 AM 9/16/2004 +0100, Carol Pearson wrote:
>Brad, I entered with you into some of those feelings and am so sorry
>about this.  Only last week I shared at length with a Christian friend
>(much younger than myself) who has "a mental illness problem" and she'd
>tried three times that week to commit suicide.  I asked her what was
>going on in her mind and whether she had planned it.  She told me she'd
>planned the first two episodes down to the last minute . . . went ahead
>. . . alone.  It's a miracle she didn't die because she took enough
>stuff for both of us.  Then the third she didn't even plan . . . it just
>happened.  Now she can't even understand herself but I know God
>understands where she was and why it happened.  When I see that kind of
>progression and know Satan's influence in a life, it makes me very cross
>indeed!  On Monday evening I spoke to another lady who wanted to commit
>suicide.  Perhaps she was prevented that day by the kind intervention of
>God!  He sent a friend along who (on seeing the situation) stayed with
>her all day!
>
>Yes, we need to look out for these hurting people and bring them to
>Jesus for His healing.  Brad, don't beat yourself up though because, if
>Jesus had wanted you to be involved in this person's life, He would have
>told you and I know you would have responded!  We can't (sadly) save
>everyone, but we can pluck some from the fire.  Let's all pray He shows
>us those we can help and then get on and do it!
>
>
>--
>Carol
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Echurch-USA The Electronic Church
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Vicki and The
>Rors
>Sent: 16 September 2004 01:44
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Still rolling it around for all it means
>
>
>Brad,
>
>I'm so sorry.  My cousin back when I was a teen committed suicide, so I
>have some personal knowledge too of some of the feelings.  I cried with
>you. It's a tragic thing.  Will pray for those kids, and you all too.
>
>Vicki
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brad Dunse" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:30 PM
>Subject: Still rolling it around for all it means
>
>
> > Pamela Nelson. Ever heard of her?
> >
> > Neither have I until two days ago. In fact I've never met her, never
>saw=20
> > her, or even spoken to her. Yet I have yet to still think of the
> > total=20 impact she has had on my thoughts as I sort out in my mind
> > what she has=20 given me to think about. To my knowledge she's never
> > accomplished
>anything=
> > =20
> > of public notoriety in life, as most of us living our lives day in and
>day=
> > =20
> > out. In fact the healthcare trade proved to be the chosen means of
> > making
>a=
> > =20
> > living and not a great communicator, author, or other such
> > profession.=20 Young woman of late 30's early forties, married, two
> > teen age kids,=20 residing in the same town as I, in fact only four
> > doors down from me.=20 Pamela decided to give many much to think on
> > around noon Monday when
>she=20
> > pulled the trigger and ended her life. This, the second suicide in
> > our=20 little town in the past week where yet another woman of 44
> > years young,=20 married and kids to leave behind wondering why. My
> > wife told me around
>3:30=
> > =20
> > or so there was four police cars, an ambulance and other cars down
> > the=20 street, the two kids were out in the yard crying. One of my
> > wife's=20 customer's dad lives next to the Nelsons and was woken out
> > of a sleep=20 around noon from his third shift night time sleep. I
> > heard that Mr.
>Nelson=
> > =20
> > was yet on his way home from work for the day. My suspicions and fears
>of=20
> > what happened were confirmed last night at church music practice. No
>doubt=
> > =20
> > it was the children who walked in the house to say "Hi mom we're home!
>Can=
> > =20
> > I go to the skate park or over to Jimmy's?" and instead found their
>lives=20
> > irreversibly changed. One of the children, Luke 16 years old, a young
>man=20
> > my son skateboards, bikes and eats lunch with at school everyday, and
>is=20
> > somewhere between acquaintance and friend of my son, and his younger
>sister=
> > =20
> > of 14 must be going through one of the most difficult times of their
>lives.=
> > =20
> > Please pray for this family. I couldn't help but be extremely bothered
>by=20
> > this inside. Suicide has always been sensitive to me. It is such a
>waste=20
> > and the thoughts which lead up to it, a lie from the pit of hell.
>Nothing=20
> > is worth ending one's own life. No job, no spouse, no money problem,
> > no=20 nothing. I also couldn't help feeling so useless in life. Week
> > by week
>we=20
> > do our bit in church, play music, sing to God and encourage others to
>enter=
> > =20
> > into worship, take our time to practice together and at home apart
> > from
>a=20
> > group, go to our jobs, spend some time with our own family, go
> > shopping
>and=
> > =20
> > the errands we need to do to make life roll along. And all the while
>four=20
> > doors down a young woman suffers so much from depression and lies
> > being=20 told her, and remains separated from God, missing out on the
> > peace and=20 comfort and help we as Christians so much rely on to get
> > us through
>life=20
> > these days, and I am totally oblivious to her suffering. If perhaps
>someone=
> > =20
> > were to have told her, have shown her that there is hope no matter
> > what=20 things look like right now. If she was guided and encouraged
> > to find
>that=20
> > victory we enjoy daily, perhaps today she'd be making supper for her
>family=
> > =20
> > saying "OK, kids go get your dad, and  wash your hands we're gonna
>eat."=20
> > and I'd not be writing this. I have yet to have this sink in to its
>full=20
> > capacity as I'm still stunned and bothered by the reality of it. Sort
>of=20
> > ironic isn't it? We take part in helping those in the area, the city,
>the=20
> > county, the state , the USA, the world and someone four doors down
>shows=20
> > the real perspective yet there's nothing you can do now to   change
>how=20
> > that perspective was brought to you and they have forfeited the
>ultimate=20
> > gift=85 life.
> >
> > Please pray for this family.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
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