Hi everybody,

Have been extra busy this weekend.

But looking on words here, I thought maybe ya all were talking about welfare
to work legislation.  hahahahahahe!  Anyway, now having read previous
messages, I'll amen Helen's point.  Christians have to learn where the food
and water can be found and get it for themselves.  Not enough can be gotten
on Sundays for the whole week, that's for sure.

Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "Helen" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 6:36 AM
Subject: Welfare to Warfare


> Well, John, perhaps the church does need teaching on spiritual welfare!
> There are many Christians who depend on their spiritual nourishment by
what
> is doled out by those who have matured in their knowledge of, and close
> relationship with the Lord.  They sit week after week, listening to others
> share the spiritual nuggets of Truth from the written word of God, or from
> their experiences in a wonderful, close relationship with Him.  However,
> those hearers on spiritual welfare, don't bother to feed on the Word for
> themselves, so experience little or no growth in the Lord due to the
> secondhand food on which they depend.
>
>
>
> Earlier, John Schwery wrote:
> >Helen, is on the job, again.  Delete welfare and put in, warfare.
> >
> >earlier, John Schwery, wrote:
> > >Phil, that sounds great.  Keep up the writing and I can think of some
> > >people in my church that this book may help.  Would you believe, that
this
> > >Baptist group that I am in is teaching a series dealing with spiritual
> > >welfare, on Wednesday nights?
> > >
> > >earlier, Phil Scovell, wrote:
> > > >I haven't been posting as much on echurch of late because I have
> > > >been spending my spare time, that is, when not watching
> > > >grandchildren, either praying with people on pre scheduled prayer
> > > >sessions, or working on a Christian novel.  I frankly, in spite of
> > > >all the other writing I have done, never consider too seriously a
> > > >novel.  Oh, I have written one but it was a western and I have
> > > >never tried to get it published.  I have started a couple of other
> > > >Christian novels but never got very far before giving up on the
> > > >idea.  I began one about life during the millennium and another
> > > >about the Christians during the tribulation.  I wrote a few
> > > >chapters and haven't gotten back to either of those for a very
> > > >long time.  I have also written many introductory chapters to
> > > >other novels, mostly westerns, which I likewise have quickly lost
> > > >interest in completely.  Since the changes the Lord has brought to
> > > >my own life in the last two years, an idea germinated which I
> > > >began day dreaming about many months ago.  I happened to mention
> > > >my basic idea of a Christian story to Carol one day in an email
> > > >and she insisted I begin writing it.  Well, shoot.  I still
> > > >didn't take it seriously but I wrote the first chapter, emailed it
> > > >to Carol and Mike to proof read it, and suddenly I was being
> > > >pushed and encouraged to write more and more by them both.  The
> > > >ministry of intercessory prayer I am in now full time became a
> > > >part of this story.  The story itself is about a Satanic group
> > > >which plots against churches to destroy some of them and to extort
> > > >millions of dollars from other ministries.  In the middle of all
> > > >of this, people get saved and healed and set free while others die
> > > >and go to prison.  It is not a book for the light hearted.  I will
> > > >be criticized for certain aspects of the book if it is ever seen
> > > >by the public, too.  I decided, if I was going to write the book,
> > > >it would be real and truthful.  Otherwise, why bother.  After
> > > >writing some chapters and having Mike and Carol proof reading
> > > >them, I have made major changes at times, to only imply, the
> > > >violence and sin in which people become involved.  It is all
> > > >there, however, for others to read when the time comes.  Publish
> > > >it?  I will be surprised it is ever published by a Christian
> > > >publisher.  Self publishing is an option, if you have the money,
> > > >and I already have in mind a publisher that is a Christian bare
> > > >bones publisher.  Again, you pay for everything but they do all
> > > >the printing and binding.  You do all the marketing.  I am not
> > > >even remotely interested in marketing any product and making money
> > > >off the Body of Christ.  I'm not against those who do but I won't
> > > >do it.  Selling a book is fine and there's nothing wrong with it
> > > >but few authors ever see much money from their published works.  I
> > > >have no interest in making money off Christians.  I do want people
> > > >to read something that can change a life.  This book will stir
> > > >people in ways they never dreamed.  Some will hate it.  Some will
> > > >think it is the best read they have ever experienced.  Some people
> > > >will cry as they read it and some will grieve because of the
> > > >impact of the truth imbedded in the story itself.  Some will
> > > >criticize it, and me, but others will experience freedom from
> > > >bondage and those are who I care about.  What happens if no
> > > >publishing company is interested in the book?  I could care less.
> > > >I have a website where it can be displayed for free to anybody who
> > > >wants to read it.  I won't be trying to publish the book, by the
> > > >way, unless the Lord leads me to do so otherwise.  I guarantee
> > > >you, however, that I will not be seeking any Christian publishing
> > > >house to market my book.  I also already have another source who
> > > >may show interest in the book due to the nature of their own
> > > >ministry.  If they are interested in seeing it published, that
> > > >alone will encourage me to do so.  Otherwise, as I said, it will
> > > >be on the website for free to all.  I am nearing the end of the
> > > >book, to my amazement, and I am passed the 180,000 word mark
> > > >already.  It will easily pass 200,000 words by the time I finish.
> > > >My oldest sister, by the way, is a published author of Christian
> > > >educational materials and she is currently self publishing new
> > > >Christian school materials shortly to be released.  She is,
> > > >therefore, an excellent proof reader and knows the business.
> > > >Unfortunately, my sister would be quite well to do by now but a
> > > >Christian publisher, who was a personal friend of the family,
> > > >literally stole my sister's copyrights.  He stole the copies of
> > > >her books when he was fired from a big Christian publishing house,
> > > >whose name most would know if I mentioned it, and that big
> > > >publishing house took him to court.  He lost and was ordered by
> > > >the judge to pay my sister a minimum of 30,000 dollars.  She had
> > > >already lost over 150,000 dollars in royalties but this guy didn't
> > > >have five cents to his name.  He never even paid the 30,000
> > > >dollars to my sister either.  How did I get off on to all that?
> > > >Anyhow, my point is this.  Once the first draft of the book is
> > > >complete, I won't display it publicly on my website but it will
> > > >be available privately to those who want to read it.  I won't
> > > >display it publicly until I learn if anybody is interested in it.
> > > >If they aren't, I'll put it on my website and then pray about self
> > > >publishing.  To do self publishing right, however, you need about
> > > >30,000 dollars just to get the publishing part done right and
> > > >copies of the book made.  Then you spend a long time trying to get
> > > >interviews on radio stations and doing personal appearances.  I
> > > >have absolutely no interest in any of that.  Maybe during the
> > > >Millennium when there is more time for such things but not now.
> > > >What I want to do now is what the Lord called me to do and that's
> > > >to pray with people who need to be set free from woundedness.  So,
> > > >please pray about all this, if you think about it, and when the
> > > >book's first draft is finished, I'll let you all know.  I have a
> > > >private passworded upload and download folder on my website where
> > > >you'll be able to get the book or I will be able, of course, to
> > > >email it as an attachment.
> > > >
> > > >Phil.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I Flew Kites With Jesus
> > > >www.SafePlaceFellowship.com
> > >
> > >John
> > >
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> >John
> >
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