Chris.  You weren't wrong by bringing it up.

Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: What is you all's opinion?


> Yeah, but apparently I was wrong by bringing it up, so, don't worry, I
won't
> post my own topics ever again.  NO need to thank me...
>
>
> Thank those who made it possible.
>
>
> Chris.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "j.ireland" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:04 AM
> Subject: Re: What is you all's opinion?
>
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > I too believe the Lord sends us angels for assistance.  I certainly
think
> > it's possible to have a guardian angel.  I do believe the ?Bible teaches
> > that these are different beings than a man or woman or even a child.
> > Children are wonderful and whatever special connection there is between
an
> > adult and a child is different than an angelic visit and a person.
> >
> > I am glad you had the courage to bring up a topic, though, as you've
> found,
> > there are varying opinions on it.
> >
> > Vicki
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:34 PM
> > Subject: What is you all's opinion?
> >
> >
> > > i'm warning yall.  This is quite darn lengthy, but I promise ya:  It's
> > worth
> > > the entire read from beginning to end as I do have some pretty deep
> > > questions.  Get ready, cause again, I say:  this? is?  deep!
> > >
> > > how many of you all believe in gardian angels?  Besides you Phil, i
> > already
> > > know that you do.
> > >
> > > i've never had a spiritual encounter with one, however, I do know now
> more
> > > than ever in my life, that i do have a gardian angel.  I just know it,
> and
> > > know that she is constantly at work.  Granted, she might only be 5
years
> > > old, I know well enough that even 5 isn't too young to be one...  If
you
> > > don't believe me, then explain this to me:
> > >
> > > Why every time that I see her, which is almost hardly never, is it
> mearly
> > > impossible for either of us to keep from both crying histerically at
the
> > > exact same time?  Why is it that even though she's 5, she still has
the
> > > maturity to call me every single day, and not even miss one.  let's
put
> it
> > > this way, it's extre'ee'ee'eemly dangerous when a child of this age
has
> > > neumonia yet, even then, when she once did at age 4, about a year ago,
> > even
> > > then! she made it a point each day, even if it meant her constantly
> > coughing
> > > etc. she made it a point even then to call me...  She's even at her
age
> > now,
> > > told me that she would die for me...  She said this firstly for the
> first
> > > time, at age 3.  Now, if you can sit here and tell me, that a 3 year
old
> > is
> > > going to have the branes to know what it means to give and lay down
> their
> > > life for someone, then I wanna know what child you are talking about
and
> > > would ya mind me adopting it?  LOL!  only kidding.  Back on a more
> serious
> > > note though:  This is a really deep topic, and i don't have all the
> > answers;
> > > I don't think any of us do:  I think angels, may or may not, be
> physically
> > > formed.  It really depends on your perspective as to how they will end
> up
> > > being perceived by you as an individual.  And if anyone's raising the
> > > question now, well I have a very dear relative, or friend, who I think
> > might
> > > be a gardian angel, but how do I know...  This is gonna be hard for me
> to
> > > explain if you haven't already experienced the feeling, andc Phil,
maybe
> > you
> > > can help me reword this a little more simply.  That is my point.  You,
> as
> > > yourself, won't know!  you won't ever know!  it's your spirit, and
your
> > soul
> > > that will.  Then through those indications, you can then as a person
> > > physically, begin to take on the ability of knowing.
> > >
> > > let me give an example, and I don't think this is gonna really
clarify,
> > but
> > > it might...
> > >
> > > i thought all along that my cousin jessica was my gardian angel.
Well,
> I
> > > thought this up until literally last night...  Yes, I still love her,
O
> my
> > > God!  I'd die and willingly rot, and burn...  OK, that's getting
> > > inappropriate, so I'll stop that comment, but you get the poihnt.
Yes,
> I
> > > still would, however, there's a very big difference in love, verses
> angel
> > > gardianship...  I can't explain it...  it could take under my belief,
> > years
> > > before you'd ever know, i just find it funny, how the first time I
ever
> > met
> > > this person who now I know it really is, at 9 months old, right then
and
> > > there, the first time I ever fed her her bottle, and held her, even,
for
> > > that matter:  I knew, right away, this relationship was faaaaar! more
> than
> > > just friendship, or love...  i think the thing was though:  I
purposely
> > > tried to dismiss it, as it sort a scared me...  No? not cause of
that...
> > No
> > > way!  it just did, more in general, i guess cause i new we lived over
> 1000
> > > miles away, and I didn't want to cling to her too much, as I knew if I
> > did,
> > > it would wreck me...  Well, sure enough, o, it wrecked me all right!
> > Nearly
> > > physically killed me! to be more precise.  So, my question really
well,
> > > yeah, one, is, how many of you all believe that this day in time, God
> > really
> > > does send angels through the physical formities of a child, or an
adult,
> > and
> > > I'm not refering to romance, o she's my angel, I mean more deeply,
> > > spiritually.  OK, I'm gonna say something, and if you all choose to
> object
> > > to it, then, ok.  but I do wanna get one thing very clear:
> > >
> > > just as you all have the God given right to express your beliefs, I
feel
> I
> > > openly should be able to as well, so if you all disagree, then fine,
but
> > > let's agree to disagree, and not start up any anamosity.
> > >
> > > I myself, believe that God is the creator of all people and all
things.
> > he
> > > created people in his own image...  however! there are certain people
> who
> > > he's specificly created at some time or another who do have God
speaking
> > > through them...  um...  Gosh this is difficult to explain...  i'm
> trying,
> > > really I am...  but it's almost on a spiritual level beyond physical
> > > comprehention.  Think of it like this:
> > >
> > > When a human is born, God has a plan for them quite obviously.
Whether
> > they
> > > choose to follow that plan, is a different thing altogether...  but
> > > anyway....  I feel like that God has created angels in the form of
> people.
> > > No no no no, don't get the wrong idea here.  i'm not saying that they
> are
> > > part of, or have a part of the trenity, I'm saying that even though
they
> > are
> > > an angel, they don't have a haylo or wings.  yes, I think that there
are
> > > those types, but they are only seen more rarely...  i think though
that
> > God,
> > > has created certain people to be "gardian angels."  I feel like they
may
> > > have gosh... what's the word....  not.... rejuvinated... that's no
where
> > > close to what I'm looking for, nor is carma anywhere close...  I'm not
> > that
> > > spiritually sick... LOL!  Um...  It's more like...  They... were in
> > heaven,
> > > I guess is what I'm trying to say, when they really were born first...
> > > Then, through means of another birth, after God has maybe told them
his
> > plan
> > > for them, he sends them to earth, as a baby through means of another
> > humanly
> > > birth.  This goes back to an interesting question that was presented
to
> my
> > > pastor by myself.  Again, this is deep, so bare with me...
> > >
> > > When we are created:  Were we created and right now, actually, we
> already
> > > are in heaven, but don't know it...  Don't stop reading, I have my
> reason
> > of
> > > thinking, and you might find it facenating if you read on...  I know
> that
> > > last comment may offend people, but if you'd let me explain, I don't
> think
> > > it will in the long run...
> > >
> > > See, often times, I've heard that when you die, it's like a new
> awakening.
> > > Well, I really stopped and thought about that for a bit...  What if...
> we
> > > are already dead, we're already in heaven, yet, are totally asleep
there
> > and
> > > not aware of it...  What is here now on earth that we're experiencing
is
> > > only a dream.  We think it's reality though as we've never seen
reality
> > > which is, hince?  Right!  Heaven!  or in some people's case?  Hell!
> > >
> > > So, really we're already there, we just don't know it...  kind of a
> > freakie
> > > concept.  Anyway, I could go on with these philisofical questions for
> days
> > > upon years, but I don't wanna bore yall, so just let me know about
this
> > > first, and we'll take it from there.
> > >
> > >
> > > Take care.
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris.
> > >
> >
>