Julie,
Yeah it is the Hammond B or D or something I hear those keyboardist yak
about that I like with other instruments lol. Not perfect but there's hope
for me eh? hahahaha.
Brad
At 01/03/2004 on Saturday, you wrote:
>Hey, Brad:
>
>Pipe organs have been a part of worship since at least the 1500's. Back
>before electricity,several people were needed to pump the bellows on the
>organ while someone else played. It was quite an undertaking, from what I
>understand.
>
>Just a clarification on Hammonds; they are not pipe organs. They use tubes
>instead. Also, now many churches use digital organs based on pipe organ
>samples. THe main reason is that it's cheaper.
>
>As for not liking pipe organ music, nobody's perfect, loll.
>
>Julie
>visit me at
>www.heart-and-music.com
>Keep smiling!
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "BD" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 10:16 AM
>Subject: Re: response to Brad about our church visit
>
>
> > Julie,
> >
> > Curious how long they have been a part of worship. That would be
> > interesting. Perhaps it is me, but to be honest I do not care for a pipe
> > organ alone, I love the sound of a Hammond organ mixed with other
> > instruments, but a bare organ, and not to offend in anyway, I just do not
> > care for, it, for me, is grating and a bit distracting rather than helping
> > to offer worship. But that is my shortcoming and not anyone elses. They
> > must have had a bellow operator to get the air to continue to move through
> > the pipes, no doubt it was more than a one person instrument unless he
> > had
> > a strong leg(so) hehehe.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> > At 01/03/2004 on Saturday, you wrote:
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> > >Brad,
> > >
> > >The problem I have with that approach is that some churches throw the =
> > >organ out the window altogether. Contrary to your statement, pipe =
> > >organs have been around for centuries and have been an integral part of =
> > >church worship for a long time. It distresses me to see all that =
> > >eroding in the name of being contemporary and "in touch," whatever that =
> > >means.
> > >
> > >Julie, the organist
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > > From: BD=20
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:56 AM
> > > Subject: Re: response to Brad about our church visit
> > >
> > >
> > > Kathy,
> > >
> > > No need to apologize. My bad experiences as a kid growing up in a =
> > >parochial
> > > environment ought not flavor my perception of today's denominational
> > > churches either as things have changed a great deal in that regard and
> > > =
> > >for
> > > that I do apologize. We use to bring some of the older hymns to the =
> > >worship
> > > service at COTR, granted much of the worship was more contemporary but
> > > there was always songs of more meaning mixed with the simple choruses.
> > > =
> > >I
> > > think what makes the difference with hymns is to use the beautiful and
> > > detailed lyrics and melody and structure but make it more sinkable =
> > >with
> > > more instruments than pipe organ. Even in the traditional days they =
> > >had
> > > many instruments, and Wurlitzer or whatever company makes the pipe =
> > >organs
> > > wasn't yet a company hehehe.
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 01/02/2004 on Friday, you wrote:
> > > >Well everybody,
> > > >I admit that my response to Brad may have been a bit on the defensive
> > > =
> > >and
> > > >for that I do appologize. I feel so often that I have to defend the
> > > >benefits of tradition that I'm probably a bit too sensitive on the
> > > >subject. In reading Brad's second post, I believe that, in most part,
> > > =
> > >we
> > > >are on the same page. Sorry Brad if I sounded a bit harsh.
> > > >When Julie mentioned that she attends a church that has both =
> > >traditional
> > > >and modern music, I had to smile because that's where we are right =
> > >now
> > > >too. IN fact, after all I've said about tradition, Greg and I are the
> > > >ones that are trying to introduce new music into our church. I have =
> > >to
> > > >say that it is being pretty well received, but I think it helps that
> > > =
> > >Greg
> > > >and I have demonstrated to them again and again how much we also love
> > > =
> > >the
> > > >old hymns and are comfortable doing both. They know that we're not =
> > >just
> > > >condemning their music and trying to get rid of it. They know that we
> > > >love it too and that has helped a lot in them trusting us to bring in
> > > =
> > >the
> > > >new.
> > > >I wish that more churches did have a healthy respect for both. I =
> > >remember
> > > >reading an article by a pastor from our denomination who planted a =
> > >church
> > > >out in California. For that particular population, he had no choice =
> > >but
> > > >to use all modern music. Now, after thirty years, his people are =
> > >starting
> > > >to ask to go deeper and now he's starting to introduce the hymns and
> > > >traditions of the church. It's sad that it just takes so long some =
> > >times
> > > >for people to develop that hunger.
> > > >The population here where we are has a lot of dead liberal churches =
> > >and
> > > >Baptists and Pentecostal churches on the conservative end. Since our
> > > >expression is more in the middle of the road, I guess, we get it from
> > > >both sides quite a bit which may be one of the reasons that we don't
> > > =
> > >see
> > > >much growth. Ah yes, the prejudice movement is alive and well in the
> > > >Christian church. Anyway, we do respect the church calendar, you =
> > >know,
> > > >celebration of the Advent season, Lent, Pentecost, common time and =
> > >all
> > > >that. Unfortunately, our people don't know very much about the =
> > >richness
> > > >of their own tradition so Greg actually took some time last year to
> > > >explain why we do what we do, when we do it and it was a real eye =
> > >opener
> > > >to many. It's easy to point the finger at our people and call them
> > > >ignorant, but I think that they are more the norm than the exception.
> > > >Traditions become dead when the understanding isn't passed along. =
> > >This
> > > >will eventually happen in the modern churches as well if they don't
> > > >explain what they are doing to their children.
> > > >That's why, in the Jewish Sadar, you have the youngest child ask, Why
> > > =
> > >do
> > > >we do this tonight? I'm sorry, I can't remember the three questions
> > > >accurately. Paul, help me out here! But, that's a perfect example of
> > > >passing on a tradition with its explanation and it is still a living,
> > > >essential part of the Jewish faith today even though it was =
> > >originally
> > > >given about 3,000 years ago.
> > > >Brad, it does sound like you've had some pretty bad experiences in =
> > >your
> > > >upbringing both at school and at church. I'm sorry for that. I'm =
> > >sorry
> > > >that people took the opportunity to show power instead of God's love,
> > > =
> > >but
> > > >I'm sure that you know that that can happen in a modern church as =
> > >well. I
> > > >suppose a drastic extreme might be Jim Baker's P.T.L. club, but it =
> > >will
> > > >happen anywhere people take their eyes off God and start noticing =
> > >their
> > > >own gain or privilege, giving themselves the glory instead of God. NO
> > > >wonder God says that the only heart He can work with is a humble one.
> > > >They're the only ones that remain flexible in His service.
> > > >IN Him,
> > > >Kathy
> > > >
> > > >________________________________________________________________
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> > >Brad,
> > >
> > >The problem I have with that approach is that some churches throw = the
> > >organ=20 out the window altogether. Contrary to your statement, pipe
> > >organs = have=20 been around for centuries and have been an integral part
> > >of church = worship for a=20 long time. It distresses me to see all that
> > >eroding in the name of = being=20 contemporary and "in touch," whatever
> > >that means.
> > >
> > >Julie, the organist
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <3d.htm>BD
> > >To: [log in to unmask] TJOHNS.EDU=20
> > >Sent: Saturday, January 03, = 2004 8:56=20 AM
> > >Subject: Re: response to Brad = about our=20 church visit
> > >
> > >Kathy,
> > >
> > >No need to apologize. My bad experiences = as a kid=20 growing up in a
> > >parochial
> > >environment ought not flavor my = perception of=20 today's denominational
> > >churches either as things have changed a = great deal=20 in that regard
> > >and for
> > >that I do apologize. We use to bring some of = the=20 older hymns to the
> > >worship
> > >service at COTR, granted much of the = worship was=20 more contemporary
> > >but
> > >there was always songs of more meaning mixed = with the=20 simple
> > >choruses. I
> > >think what makes the difference with hymns is to = use the=20 beautiful
> > >and
> > >detailed lyrics and melody and structure but = make it=20 more sinkable
> > >with
> > >more instruments than pipe organ. Even in the=20 traditional days they
> > >had
> > >many instruments, and Wurlitzer or = whatever=20 company makes the pipe
> > >organs
> > >wasn't yet a company=20 hehehe.
> > >
> > >Brad
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 01/02/2004 on Friday, you=20 wrote:
> > > >Well everybody,
> > > >I admit that my response to Brad = may have=20 been a bit on the
> > > defensive and
> > > >for that I do appologize. I = feel so=20 often that I have to defend
> > > >the
> > > >benefits of tradition that I'm = probably=20 a bit too sensitive on the
> > > >subject. In reading Brad's second = post, I=20 believe that, in most
> > > part, we
> > > >are on the same page. Sorry Brad = if I=20 sounded a bit harsh.
> > > >When Julie mentioned that she attends a = church=20 that has both
> > > traditional
> > > >and modern music, I had to smile = because=20 that's where we are right
> > > >now
> > > >too. IN fact, after all I've said = about=20 tradition, Greg and I are
> > > >the
> > > >ones that are trying to introduce = new=20 music into our church. I
> > > >have to
> > > >say that it is being pretty = well=20 received, but I think it helps
> > > that Greg
> > > >and I have = demonstrated to=20 them again and again how much we also
> > > love the
> > > >old hymns and = are=20 comfortable doing both. They know that we're not
> > > = just
> > > >condemning their=20 music and trying to get rid of it. They know that
> > > >we
> > > >love it = too and=20 that has helped a lot in them trusting us to bring
> > > in = the
> > > >new.
> > > >I=20 wish that more churches did have a healthy respect for both. I=20
> > > remember
> > > >reading an article by a pastor from our denomination = who=20 planted a
> > > church
> > > >out in California. For that particular = population, he=20 had no
> > > >choice but
> > > >to use all modern music. Now, after thirty = years, his=20 people are
> > > starting
> > > >to ask to go deeper and now he's starting = to=20 introduce the hymns
> > > >and
> > > >traditions of the church. It's sad that = it just=20 takes so long some
> > > times
> > > >for people to develop that = hunger.
> > > >The=20 population here where we are has a lot of dead liberal
> > > churches=20 and
> > > >Baptists and Pentecostal churches on the conservative end. = Since=20
> > > >our
> > > >expression is more in the middle of the road, I guess, we = get it=20
> > > >from
> > > >both sides quite a bit which may be one of the reasons = that we=20
> > > don't see
> > > >much growth. Ah yes, the prejudice movement is alive = and well=20 in
> > > >the
> > > >Christian church. Anyway, we do respect the church = calendar, you=20
> > > >know,
> > > >celebration of the Advent season, Lent, Pentecost, common = time=20 and
> > > >all
> > > >that. Unfortunately, our people don't know very much = about the=20
> > > >richness
> > > >of their own tradition so Greg actually took some time = last=20 year
> > > >to
> > > >explain why we do what we do, when we do it and it was = a real=20 eye
> > > opener
> > > >to many. It's easy to point the finger at our people = and=20 call them
> > > >ignorant, but I think that they are more the norm = than the=20
> > > >exception.
> > > >Traditions become dead when the understanding isn't = passed=20 along.
> > > >This
> > > >will eventually happen in the modern churches as = well if=20 they
> > > >don't
> > > >explain what they are doing to their = children.
> > > >That's=20 why, in the Jewish Sadar, you have the youngest child ask,
> > > >Why
> > > = do
> > > >we do=20 this tonight? I'm sorry, I can't remember the three=20
> > > >questions
> > > >accurately. Paul, help me out here! But, that's a = perfect=20 example
> > > >of
> > > >passing on a tradition with its explanation and it = is still=20 a
> > > >living,
> > > >essential part of the Jewish faith today even though = it was=20
> > > >originally
> > > >given about 3,000 years ago.
> > > >Brad, it does = sound like=20 you've had some pretty bad experiences in
> > > >your
> > > >upbringing both = at=20 school and at church. I'm sorry for that. I'm
> > > >sorry
> > > >that people = took=20 the opportunity to show power instead of God's
> > > love, but
> > > >I'm = sure that=20 you know that that can happen in a modern church as
> > > well. = I
> > > >suppose a=20 drastic extreme might be Jim Baker's P.T.L. club, but it =
> > > >will
> > > >happen=20 anywhere people take their eyes off God and start noticing =
> > > >their
> > > >own=20 gain or privilege, giving themselves the glory instead of
> > > >God.=20 NO
> > > >wonder God says that the only heart He can work with is a = humble=20
> > > >one.
> > > >They're the only ones that remain flexible in His=20 service.
> > > >IN=20 = Him,
> > > >Kathy
> > > >
> > > >________________________________________= ________________________
> > > >The=20 best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> > > >Surf = the web=20 up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
> > > >Only $14.95/ month - visit <3d.him>www.juno.com to sign up=20 today!
> > >
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