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Harvey Heagy <[log in to unmask]>
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Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:34:32 -0500
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Someone is lifting addresses from this list.  I received the following
message but did not send anything to Blind-fam.  I have heard similar
complaints from Blind-x of someone lifting names and addresses and trying to
make it look like someone else is sending the message.

----- Original Message -----
From: "L-Soft list server at St. John's University (1.8d)"
<[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: Your message to [log in to unmask]


> Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:07:31
>
> Your message to [log in to unmask] has been forwarded
> to the  "list owners" (the people  who manage the BLINDFAM  list). If you
> wanted to reach a human being, you used the correct procedure and you can
> ignore  the remainder  of this  message.  If you  were trying  to send  a
> command for the computer to execute, please read on.
>
> The  BLINDFAM list  is managed  by a  LISTSERV server.  LISTSERV commands
> should    always    be   sent    to    the    "LISTSERV"   address,    ie
> [log in to unmask] LISTSERV never  tries to process messages
> sent to the BLINDFAM-request address; it  simply forwards them to a human
> being, and acknowledges receipt with the present message.
>
> The "listname-request" convention originated on  the Internet a long time
> ago. At  the time, lists were  always managed manually, and  this address
> was defined as an alias for the  person(s) in charge of the mailing list.
> You would write to the  "listname-request" address to ask for information
> about the list, ask  to be added to the list,  make suggestions about the
> contents and policy, etc. Because this  address was always a human being,
> people  knew and  expected to  be  talking to  a  human being,  not to  a
> computer.  Unfortunately, some  recent  list  management packages  screen
> incoming  messages  to  the  "listname-request" address  and  attempt  to
> determine whether they are requests to  join or leave the list. They look
> for words such as "subscribe," "add,"  "leave," "off," and so on. If they
> decide your message is  a request to join or leave  the list, they update
> the list automatically;  otherwise, they forward the message  to the list
> owners. Naturally, this means that if  you write to the list owners about
> someone else's  unsuccessful attempts to  leave the list, you  stand good
> chances of  being automatically removed  from the list, whereas  the list
> owners will never receive your message. No one really benefits from this.
> There is no  reliable mechanism to contact a human  being for assistance,
> and you can never  be sure whether your request will  be interpreted as a
> command or as a message to the list owners. This is why LISTSERV uses two
> separate addresses, one for the people in  charge of the list and one for
> the computer  that runs it.  This way you  always know what  will happen,
> especially if you are writing in a language other than English.
>
> In  any case,  if your  message was  a LISTSERV  command, you  should now
> resend it  to [log in to unmask]  The list owners  know that
> you have  received this message and  may assume that you  will resend the
> command  on your  own. You  will find  instructions for  the most  common
> administrative requests below.
>
> *********************
> * TO LEAVE THE LIST *
> *********************
>
> Write to [log in to unmask] and, in  the text of your message
> (not the subject line), write: SIGNOFF BLINDFAM
>
> ********************
> * TO JOIN THE LIST *
> ********************
>
> Write to [log in to unmask] and, in  the text of your message
> (not the subject line), write: SUBSCRIBE BLINDFAM
>
> ************************
> * FOR MORE INFORMATION *
> ************************
>
> Write to [log in to unmask] and, in  the text of your message
> (not the  subject line),  write: "HELP" or  "INFO" (without  the quotes).
> HELP will give you a short help  message and INFO a list of the documents
> you can order.

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