Apparntly you have, but we'll forgive you... lol
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From: Scott Sands <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Addressing an ad-hominm and asking for welcome...
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><P>*grabs a big hunk of humble pie*</P>
><P>Apparently I've blown things out of proportion? It was not the
best strategy to spit out one loaded line, but perhaps my asking for welcome
could have had a better preface than to call you on it so vociferously,
Ken. Certainly I didn't mean to cause this much commotion.</P>
><P>*looks for the ice cream*<BR></P></DIV>
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><DIV></DIV>----Original Message Follows----
><DIV></DIV>From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
><DIV></DIV>Reply-To: "St. John's University Cerebral Palsy List"
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><DIV></DIV>To: [log in to unmask]
><DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: Addressing an ad-hominm and asking for welcome...
><DIV></DIV>Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:23:08 -0700
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><DIV></DIV>scott, you are free to say anything you want. this is
><DIV></DIV>not a censored list. i have asbestos skin. i can take
><DIV></DIV>a flame or two along the way. actually i was out of
><DIV></DIV>line to just drob a one liner out there with no
><DIV></DIV>accompaning logic as to what i was trying to say.
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><DIV></DIV>texas taxpayers now have to pay for a special session
><DIV></DIV>to bring back the inportant bills that died while
><DIV></DIV>these guys were "on vacation."
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><DIV></DIV>--- Scott Sands <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
><DIV></DIV>> Magenta:
><DIV></DIV>>
><DIV></DIV>> First, were his actions appropriate to someone who
><DIV></DIV>> can only know him for
><DIV></DIV>> what he has done in that person's view?
><DIV></DIV>>
><DIV></DIV>> Second, am I out of line in addressing his actions,
><DIV></DIV>> or have I ever addressed
><DIV></DIV>> his worth as a person, rather than his behavior?
><DIV></DIV>>
><DIV></DIV>> At no point in time have I knowingly addressed or
><DIV></DIV>> judged Ken as a person. I
><DIV></DIV>> have expressed private apologies to him in case I'm
><DIV></DIV>> in error, as I've been
><DIV></DIV>> careful to address only what he's done, and not who
><DIV></DIV>> he is.
><DIV></DIV>>
><DIV></DIV>> Those of you who know Ken can take what he says
><DIV></DIV>> along with that knowledge.
><DIV></DIV>> I can only take what I see of him, and I have not,
><DIV></DIV>> to my knowledge, applied
><DIV></DIV>> that to anything I don't know about him -- I've
><DIV></DIV>> basically said his behavior
><DIV></DIV>> was out of line.
><DIV></DIV>>
><DIV></DIV>> Perhaps I was out of line, abusing my welcome, or
><DIV></DIV>> otherwise callous in doing
><DIV></DIV>> that, or perhaps I unknowingly DID assault Ken's
><DIV></DIV>> character. I have
><DIV></DIV>> apologized, and I do so again, while once again
><DIV></DIV>> asking anyone who wishes to
><DIV></DIV>> to call my attention to any attacks I've made on Ken
><DIV></DIV>> personally. I'm not
><DIV></DIV>> kidding when I say I'll be grateful for it.
><DIV></DIV>>
><DIV></DIV>> Scott
><DIV></DIV>>
><DIV></DIV>>
><DIV></DIV>>
><DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message -----
><DIV></DIV>> From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
><DIV></DIV>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
><DIV></DIV>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:21 PM
><DIV></DIV>> Subject: Re: Addressing an ad-hominm and asking for
><DIV></DIV>> welcome...
><DIV></DIV>>
><DIV></DIV>>
><DIV></DIV>> > Scott,
><DIV></DIV>> >
><DIV></DIV>> > Yes, Ken and I are very blunt and to the point
><DIV></DIV>> with each other. I call
><DIV></DIV>> > something violet, ken calls it reddish. He says
><DIV></DIV>> go north, I say go
><DIV></DIV>> east...
><DIV></DIV>> >
><DIV></DIV>> > In no way do I expect him to change. I just say
><DIV></DIV>> what I see as the truth,
><DIV></DIV>> and
><DIV></DIV>> > Kern says, I disagree.
><DIV></DIV>> > I know he has been undergoing tremendous pain
><DIV></DIV>> lately, and that is why I
><DIV></DIV>> more
><DIV></DIV>> > or less ignored his barb, and only hope he feels
><DIV></DIV>> better soon. This is
><DIV></DIV>> > friendship. Friendship understands and doesn't
><DIV></DIV>> yell back...
><DIV></DIV>> > doesn't retaliate.
><DIV></DIV>> >
><DIV></DIV>> >
><DIV></DIV>> > Mag
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