should have been hoops, not hops tp jump through
--- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> oh, trish, what you are doing is great and i commend
> you, but there are lots of people doing what is
> right.
> not enough i will agree, but, more would do it if
> our
> governments did not make it next to impossible to
> do.
> remember all the hops you were made to jump through.
>
> --- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Hi Kyle,
> >
> >             The only thing I have against guns, is
> > the false feeling of =
> > security they give people. It is one thing to own
> a
> > gun - its another to =
> > be able to shoot someone. Now having said that - I
> > believe any action =
> > against guns is another just putting out fires
> > rather than solving the =
> > problem. The problem is/are people. Guns are no
> more
> > harmful than ice =
> > picks, butcher knives, fists, baseball bats and
> > cars. Anything can =
> > become a weapon in the hands of person. We have
> > advanced weapons and =
> > Cave man brains. Frankly, we don't need to outlaw
> > guns we need to outlaw =
> > people. That would solve the gun problem. About
> > 10,000 years ago we =
> > almost became extinct - we have never lived in
> peace
> > - not even with our =
> > most beloved, I am highly curious how long it will
> > take us to get to a =
> > higher level of thinking - than me, mine, and
> screw
> > you. This has come =
> > more clear since I got custody of Alex - people
> are
> > giving me a halo for =
> > what is just the proper thing to do. They can't
> > understand taking a =
> > child in to begin with - then the fact I don't get
> > any renumeration is =
> > so beyond their thinking that I an really
> considered
> > odd, or very =
> > angelic. I just think if we placed a little less
> > emphasis on us and our =
> > belongings - and gave that little emphasis to
> caring
> > for others - there =
> > would be less death, fewer suicides, less crime,
> > etc. Of course, I know =
> > I am naive and stupid to think such stuff, and
> even
> > more naive and =
> > stupid to live like that. I must have gotten off
> on
> > the wrong planet for =
> > this lifetime. LOL
> >
> >         And I looked up the numbers - and I keep
> > coming up with 8 million legal =
> > handguns - which is about 1/3 of the population. I
> > wonder what the =
> > number and percent of illegal guns and gun owners
> > there are.
> >
> >
> Trisha
> >
> >
> > > Trisha, the percentage of Americans owning
> > firearms for protection is =
> > on the
> > > rise--particularly among women.  Most "think
> > tanks"--liberal &
> > > conservative--attribute this to a general
> feeling
> > of insecurity post =
> > 9/11
> > > and, to a lesser degree, a ruling in Federal
> Court
> > (California) =
> > stating that
> > > police agencies are NOT bound to protect
> > individuals from harm (upheld =
> > on
> > > appeal).  In a nutshell, what this means is that
> > LE officers do not =
> > have to
> > > put themselves in harm's way to prevent a
> violent
> > crime.  This stemmed =
> > from
> > > a case where a California woman was being
> stalked
> > and threatened by =
> > her
> > > ex-husband.  He ignored restraining orders and
> her
> > requests for =
> > "police
> > > protection" were denied.  She then requested a
> > permit to carry a =
> > handgun,
> > > citing viable reason, and that request was also
> > denied.  The long and =
> > short
> > > of it was that her ex ended up killing her, the
> > family brought suit =
> > against
> > > the state and the courts decreed, through
> several
> > appeals, that the
> > > "government" has no inherent duty to protect
> > individual lives.  I can
> > > provide details when I get time later, if anyone
> > wants.
> > >=20
> > > Kyle
> > >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Trisha Cummings [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:33 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: documentary
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > Hi Deri,
> > >=20
> > >    You said just what I thought!! - Also since
> the
> > feds have a well =
> > equipped
> > > military - not sure what a handgun can do
> against
> > a tank or APC, or =
> > Hummer -
> > > macine gun, etc.  I am sure the founders never
> > imagined the kind of =
> > weapons
> > > we have today or we would all have the
> > constitutional right to a bomb
> > > shelter, and mandatory military service. I am
> > truly curious what =
> > actual
> > > percentage of Amercian own a gun - beyond the
> > military and police, =
> > FBI, CIA
> > > and other alphabet soup agencies.
> > >=20
> > >    How are things across the pond these days?
> > >=20
> > >                                      Trisha
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > > On Thursday 21 Aug 2003 4:38 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > as far as gun control. putting all the bs
> > about
> > > > > hunting and sceet shooting aside where it
> > should be.
> > > > > the founders put gun ownership in so the
> > future>=20
> > > > > oppresive governments could be overthrown.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmm, difficult to fight off Poison Gas and
> other
> > WMD (which your gov =
> > has)
> > > with
> > > > handguns, at the time the founders wrote that
> > they were saying the
> > > populace
> > > > should have the same weapons as the gov.
> > Personal Nukes? Luverly!!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Deri
>
>
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