oh, trish, what you are doing is great and i commend
you, but there are lots of people doing what is right.
not enough i will agree, but, more would do it if our
governments did not make it next to impossible to do.
remember all the hops you were made to jump through.

--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Kyle,
>
>             The only thing I have against guns, is
> the false feeling of =
> security they give people. It is one thing to own a
> gun - its another to =
> be able to shoot someone. Now having said that - I
> believe any action =
> against guns is another just putting out fires
> rather than solving the =
> problem. The problem is/are people. Guns are no more
> harmful than ice =
> picks, butcher knives, fists, baseball bats and
> cars. Anything can =
> become a weapon in the hands of person. We have
> advanced weapons and =
> Cave man brains. Frankly, we don't need to outlaw
> guns we need to outlaw =
> people. That would solve the gun problem. About
> 10,000 years ago we =
> almost became extinct - we have never lived in peace
> - not even with our =
> most beloved, I am highly curious how long it will
> take us to get to a =
> higher level of thinking - than me, mine, and screw
> you. This has come =
> more clear since I got custody of Alex - people are
> giving me a halo for =
> what is just the proper thing to do. They can't
> understand taking a =
> child in to begin with - then the fact I don't get
> any renumeration is =
> so beyond their thinking that I an really considered
> odd, or very =
> angelic. I just think if we placed a little less
> emphasis on us and our =
> belongings - and gave that little emphasis to caring
> for others - there =
> would be less death, fewer suicides, less crime,
> etc. Of course, I know =
> I am naive and stupid to think such stuff, and even
> more naive and =
> stupid to live like that. I must have gotten off on
> the wrong planet for =
> this lifetime. LOL
>
>         And I looked up the numbers - and I keep
> coming up with 8 million legal =
> handguns - which is about 1/3 of the population. I
> wonder what the =
> number and percent of illegal guns and gun owners
> there are.
>
>                                              Trisha
>
>
> > Trisha, the percentage of Americans owning
> firearms for protection is =
> on the
> > rise--particularly among women.  Most "think
> tanks"--liberal &
> > conservative--attribute this to a general feeling
> of insecurity post =
> 9/11
> > and, to a lesser degree, a ruling in Federal Court
> (California) =
> stating that
> > police agencies are NOT bound to protect
> individuals from harm (upheld =
> on
> > appeal).  In a nutshell, what this means is that
> LE officers do not =
> have to
> > put themselves in harm's way to prevent a violent
> crime.  This stemmed =
> from
> > a case where a California woman was being stalked
> and threatened by =
> her
> > ex-husband.  He ignored restraining orders and her
> requests for =
> "police
> > protection" were denied.  She then requested a
> permit to carry a =
> handgun,
> > citing viable reason, and that request was also
> denied.  The long and =
> short
> > of it was that her ex ended up killing her, the
> family brought suit =
> against
> > the state and the courts decreed, through several
> appeals, that the
> > "government" has no inherent duty to protect
> individual lives.  I can
> > provide details when I get time later, if anyone
> wants.
> >=20
> > Kyle
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Trisha Cummings [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:33 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: documentary
> >=20
> >=20
> > Hi Deri,
> >=20
> >    You said just what I thought!! - Also since the
> feds have a well =
> equipped
> > military - not sure what a handgun can do against
> a tank or APC, or =
> Hummer -
> > macine gun, etc.  I am sure the founders never
> imagined the kind of =
> weapons
> > we have today or we would all have the
> constitutional right to a bomb
> > shelter, and mandatory military service. I am
> truly curious what =
> actual
> > percentage of Amercian own a gun - beyond the
> military and police, =
> FBI, CIA
> > and other alphabet soup agencies.
> >=20
> >    How are things across the pond these days?
> >=20
> >                                      Trisha
> >=20
> >=20
> > > On Thursday 21 Aug 2003 4:38 pm, you wrote:
> > > > as far as gun control. putting all the bs
> about
> > > > hunting and sceet shooting aside where it
> should be.
> > > > the founders put gun ownership in so the
> future>=20
> > > > oppresive governments could be overthrown.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hmm, difficult to fight off Poison Gas and other
> WMD (which your gov =
> has)
> > with
> > > handguns, at the time the founders wrote that
> they were saying the
> > populace
> > > should have the same weapons as the gov.
> Personal Nukes? Luverly!!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Deri


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