Its a sad state of affairs when a bunch of folks who are surrounded by 
history books and references can't locate the site of significant 
historical naval engagements.   Tsk. Tsk.

It was Perry at Erie.  Lawrence was the skipper of the Chesapeak.  The 
U.S.S. Lawrence was Perry's Flag Ship, until he transferred his flag 
(Don't give up the ship!) to the Niagara.  "Don't give up the ship!" 
were Lawrence's dieing words.  (Very romantic...I suspedt liberties 
have been taken).

A lot of young naval officers learned their trade in the Mediteranian 
and were in command in 1812.  Again, this is from memory and suspect.  
But if you go to the PHMC site for the Niagara, they probably have a 
bunch of these details.

Faragut, Admiral of some repute in the Civil War served as midshipman 
under his step father in 1812, Porter, I think.  Seems the training we 
give young men is important.  Certainly the concentrated company of 
men, being supervised and cared for by men, is an experience that 
shapes in ways other than that of more diverse experiences.

-jc



On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 05:03  AM, Jim Hicks wrote:

> I did a google search and came up with Lebanon, but Libya is in the 
> news this week paying every one off and I think I saw Tripoli there.
> They were talking about how much everyone got and I thought I heard a 
> sum for the Italians in the 20 - 30 millions?
> the US's only got 6 - 8 I think.
> jh
>
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> In a message dated 8/17/2003 8:01:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> Hey, Ralph - the shores of Tripoli are in Lebanon (the country in the 
> ME) - whats the connection to the war of 1812 in your mind?
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> The shores of Tripoli are in Libya  (I think;  having been found to be 
> more in error of late than I prefer, I am a little timid [or teapot] 
> today).
>
> I thought (mistakenly, it would appear) that the connection between 
> the Shores of Tripoli and the War of 1812 was that TWET included the 
> unpleasantness with the Burberry Concrete-Pouring Pyrates, who were 
> based on the shores of Tripoli (formerly, I think, Tripolitania).  But 
> evidently those were discreet conflicts.
>
> I hang my head in shame; however, my eyes have not turned brown.
>
> Ralph
>
>
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