you are behind scott, that shoud be in the past tense.
take a loog at georgia power, warehouser (maybe
spelled wrong) for just a couple of examples. can we
say green, i tnink we can. polution in the air has
gotten less and less as the years go by, but none of
the environmental political movement ever updates
their presintation of the facts.
i am sorry but many many companies are trying to be
good stewards of the environment now because they know
that it is a win-win to do so.
also since i am addressing the win-win situations,
the old tired ploy of there being only so much "pie"
that if i get a piece then some one else can't have
any is so much b.s. you give us yankee bakers more
money to buy more flour, butter, and fruit; and we'll
always make a bigger pie. the terrible u.s.a. so bad
that wave fter wave of immigrants come here to seek
their dreams. some die trying to get to our terrible
country. who ya kidding?
--- Scott Sands <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> If clean water and air are "what the customer
> prizes," Ken, then big
> business has been destroying that in the name of
> profit for hundreds of
> years. I don't see many "good" businessmen when I
> use your definition.
>
> And as for the pie metaphor, it doesn't fit
> capitalism. The "pie" can
> indeed get bigger, but rather than adding new pieces
> that are there for the
> "have nots" to take, in capitalism, the pie pieces
> have already been
> snatched up, and only grow in the hands of those who
> already have a hold on
> their piece.
>
> Don't wax poetic about big business--not until after
> you explain away Enron,
> or other companies whose big executives cash out on
> their jobs at the
> expense of lower-level workers and shareholders.
>
> Don't wax poetic about the "dreams" of our nation
> until you walk into an
> inner-city school in Seattle or Chicago, New York or
> Los Angeles--the
> schools inhabited by poor ethnic minorities who
> carry guns because they
> don't feel safe without them--and can prove to me
> that they have the same
> resources as suburban schools with higher property
> values to fund them. In
> our nation's economy, the poor don't dream big
> because it only takes a
> little dream to rise above the bottom of the
> pack--not because their dreams
> wouldn't be astounding it if they truly had the same
> opportunity as their
> citizen siblings.
>
> When tobacco companies are "simple" enough to assert
> that their product
> doesn't cause lung cancer, I don't hold out hope for
> the simplicity of big
> business. And what about those who don't have the
> money to be a customer?
> Does big business have an obligation to cater to
> those who don't live in the
> right income bracket to afford the big-screen TVs
> they sell, the fast food
> they peddle, the cars they manufacture, or the
> petroleum they mine?
>
> Capitalism's credo is "if you can pay for it, you
> can have it." That
> carries with it the assumption that "if you can't
> pay for it, you don't
> deserve it."
>
> Scott
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Mag's whip; was RE: Am I the only one
> online?
>
>
> > actually good businessmen would not anger their
> > customers by destroying what the customer prized.
> the
> > pies here can be as big as one dreams to make
> them.
> > AND THE BAKERS ARE NOT SIMPLE ENOUGH TO DESTROY
> THE
> > AIR WE BREATH NOR DIRTY THE WATER WE DRINK.
> >
> > YES INDEED!!!
> >
> > --- pam <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Yes!!
> > >
> > > Pam
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Deri James" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >
> > > > Pies are of finite size. If someone grabs more
> > > than they need someone
> > > could go
> > > > hungry!!
> > > >
> > > > Suppose the pie we're talking about is "clean
> air"
> > > or "fresh water", I
> > > don't
> > > > think tax cuts and increased consumerism is
> > > exactly the panacea required.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Simple Simon
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > On Tuesday 10 Jun 2003 10:02 pm, Ken wrote:
> > > > > actually i see it different. for one person
> to
> > > get a
> > > > > piece of pie does not exclude another
> > > necessarily.
> > > > > what you do is make a bigger pie so more
> people
> > > can
> > > > > have their piece. you do that by cutting
> taxes
> > > and
> > > > > growing the ecconomy. let's see, someone
> > > proposed to
> > > > > do that. gee the name eludes me.
> > > > >
> >
> >
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