As Robert stated: "Please, NEVER match dirty masonry..."
I agree, of course, but extend the advice - maybe not with such
absoluteness - to never match non-original mortar, but to repoint with
mortar appropriate to the original construction. We often have a
situation where the building is not 100% repointed, and we have to
decide what to match.
In the case of Hill Auditorium in Ann Arbor, the contractor asked if we
really wanted him to match the color of the original red mortar or the
gray old repointed mortar. We directed him to match the red, since the
original design used a red mortar to blend in with the red terra cotta.
There will still be some ugly gray strips, but over time hopefully
future work will bring all joints into one aesthetic.
We're also matching the original lime mortar for the brick, but that is
another thread...
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From: "Score, Robert" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: It has become conventional wisdom in the last 10 years in
NYC ...
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Please, NEVER match dirty masonry, I am getting tired of working on
buildings where the previous team of fifteen years aga assumed that the
building could not or would not be cleaned and then when we clean them
now we have to go back and fix several hundered replacement units that
do not match! If the new units look odd next to the dirt ones than find
a way to soil the new units that can be eaisly removed in the future.
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From: M. P. Edison [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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Subject: Re: It has become conventional wisdom in the last 10 years in
NYC ...
If repair of existing units is part of the scope of work, there is
always the interesting issue, if you do not clean the building, of
whether to match the repairs to the soiled masonry or to what the
masonry would look like if it had been cleaned.
Mike E.
> depends on what the soil is and what the other scope is. Some soil
deposits
> are harmfull to masonry and need to be removed to prevent future
damage.
> Also is you are trying to blend in terra cotta or stone replacment
units on
> a building in which the original masonry had a range of colr (not
very
> consistent) than knowing the color of the adjacent units can help
get a
> better match for the new units.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Met History [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:45 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: It has become conventional wisdom in the last 10 years in
NYC ...
>
>
> ...that "we should really clean the building in order to better
repair the
> exterior". How much of this is real -- and how much of this is
> project-padding by masonry repair companies?
>
> Christopher Gray
>
>
>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Please, NEVER match dirty masonry, I am getting tired
= of working on buildings where the previous team of fifteen years aga =
assumed that the building could not or would not be cleaned and then =
when we clean them now we have to go back and fix several hundered =
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the dirt ones than find a way to soil the new units that can be eaisly =
removed in the future.</FONT></P>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: M. P. Edison [<A =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:59 PM</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: It has become conventional wisdom in =
the last 10 years in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>NYC ...</FONT> </P> <BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If repair of existing units is part of the scope of =
work, there is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>always the interesting issue,
if you do not clean = the building, of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>whether
to match the repairs to the soiled masonry = or to what the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>masonry would look like if it had been =
cleaned.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Mike E.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> depends on what the soil is and what the other =
scope is. Some soil</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>deposits</FONT> <BR><FONT
SIZE=3D2>> are harmfull to masonry and need to be removed = to
prevent future</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>damage.</FONT> <BR><FONT
SIZE=3D2>> Also is you are trying to blend in terra cotta = or stone
replacment</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>units on</FONT> <BR><FONT
SIZE=3D2>> a building in which the original masonry had a = range of
colr (not</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>very</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>
consistent) than knowing the color of the = adjacent units can
help</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>get a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>
better match for the new units.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT
SIZE=3D2>> From: Met History [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</A>]</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: It has become conventional wisdom in =
the last 10 years in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>NYC ...</FONT> <BR><FONT
SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT
SIZE=3D2>> ...that "we should really clean the = building in
order to better</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>repair the</FONT> <BR><FONT
SIZE=3D2>> exterior". How much of this is = real --
and how much of this is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> project-padding
by masonry repair = companies?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Christopher Gray</FONT> <BR><FONT
SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT
SIZE=3D2>></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Edison Coatings, Inc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>M. P. Edison</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>President</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>3 Northwest Drive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Plainville, CT 06062 USA</FONT> <BR><FONT
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