It is like pulling teeth.
In Ontario, many think that the ODA (Ontarians with Disabilities Act) is
the Ontario Dental Association!
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Ruth Burchell <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
| But what about those other disabled person's "basic
| needs" such as me?
|
| There is a reason why the theme of the United Nations
| charter focusses on this very subject? I am NOT able
| to leave my house often so as to hold a prestigious
| position as Richard and get daily social input. I
| rely on these e-mails for information. I too need to
| be accommodated and informed.
|
| Everyone should play a part in upholding our disabled
| rights, but some don't. But this is probably why we
| are tottering on losing ground with the ADA because
| there are a few who feel too comfortable in their jobs
| and don't further the cause, as they may already have
| what they need and want.
|
| We should have really gone further during the ten
| years that the ADA has existed. As a matter of fact
| did anyone ever realize why the majority of people
| doesn't know what ADA stands for. They think ADA
| means American Dental Association or American
| Democratic Association, etc.
|
| My suggesion for those who are not interested, that
| any e-mail in the string of: "Law penalizes the
| able?" gets promptly deleted without opening the
| message.
|
| Ruth
|
| ----------------
|
| --- Ron Stewart <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
| > I would agree, but lets try to keep the info
| > apolitical as much as possible.
| >
| > Ron Stewart
| >
| > -----Original Message-----
| > From: Rudy Caris [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
| > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:35 PM
| > To: [log in to unmask]
| > Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
| >
| >
| > Funny you should mention that. Someone just brought
| > up
| > that very point and question to me before you posted
| > David. Yes, information and technology coupled
| > together
| > on this board should count.
| >
| > Rudy
| > .
| > .
| > .
| > > what about information, does that count?
| > >
| > > ----- Original Message -----
| > > From: "Richard Jones" <[log in to unmask]>
| > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
| > > Sent: January 12, 2001 2:37 PM
| > > Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
| > >
| > >
| > > The name of this organization is EASI, "Equal
| > Access to Software and
| > > Information." I am open to any point of view
| > concerning access to
| > > software
| > > and information. However, EASI is filling up
| > each day with email
| > > that has
| > > nothing to do with technology or providing the
| > crucial electronic
| > > tools
| > > necessary for individuals with disabilities to
| > compete effectively in
| > > the
| > > 21st century. If you want to relive the past, do
| > it on your own
| > > time.
| > >
| > > Richard Jones
| > > Assistant Director
| > > Disability Resources for Students
| > > Arizona State University, Main
| > > 480-965-1234
| > >
| > > -----Original Message-----
| > > From: Rudy Caris [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
| > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:05 PM
| > > To: [log in to unmask]
| > > Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
| > >
| > > No doubt, and I understand the point of the
| > argument and
| > > what is being said.
| > >
| > > The arena where our battles should be fought
| > however,
| > > has a whole new set of rules, and is not given to
| > > emotional pleadings, grandstanding, or such
| > things.
| > >
| > > I picked one fight that took seven years to
| > conclude.
| > > As a result, many disabled today are enjoying some
| > of
| > > their rights they would otherwise not have had.
| > >
| > > Conversely, there have been issues where I chose
| > NOT to
| > > rattle the cages of the powers that are.
| > >
| > > The sympathetic vote is a powerful ally that
| > should not
| > > be abused or overused as the case might be.
| > >
| > > Indulging in that practice only serves to
| > desensitize
| > > our "friends" who can help us in our battles.
| > Which
| > > indeed they are.
| > >
| > > Rudy
| > > .
| > > .
| > > .
| > > > Yes, you do have to pick your fights. Selma
| > Alabama was chosen for a
| > > reason
| > > > I do believe, as was Montgomery. I don't want to
| > get this wrong
| > > though,
| > > and
| > > > disappoint my former professor (right Norm). On
| > the other hand
| > > though, you
| > > > can't be so quiet as to have the other side
| > nickel and dime you to
| > > death.
| > > > Can't wine about everything. But there does come
| > a time when some
| > > one can
| > > > take only so much.
| > > >
| > > > Randy
| > > >
| > > > "Practice means nothing. Games mean everything."
| > > > -- Thurmond Moore
| > > > ----- Original Message -----
| > > > From: David Poehlman <[log in to unmask]>
| > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
| > > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:21 PM
| > > > Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > > yes, it makes a difference. the disabled is a
| > bit different than
| > > > > either of those you describe. for one thing,
| > we don't have the
| > > > > choices that any of them did due to functional
| > limitations.
| > > > >
| > > > > This is the 21st century the last I looked.
| > The backlash against
| > > us
| > > > > over stuff like this can be more detramental
| > than the present
| > > reality.
| > > > > if you have 100 guood cases, the one bad one
| > that you have will
| > > wipe
| > > > > all the good of them away.
| > > > >
| > > > > ----- Original Message -----
| > > > > From: "Rick Sinclair" <[log in to unmask]>
| > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
| > > > > Sent: January 11, 2001 4:03 PM
| > > > > Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > Rudy,
| > > > >
| > > > > On the other hand, squeaky wheels get the
| > grease. Neither the
| > > black
| > > > > movement, nor the womens' movement, had much
| > success until they
| > > > > started
| > > > > raising an unholy ruckus that got media
| > attention. The womens'
| > > > > movement
| > > > > was a phenomenal result, actually changing the
| > perspective of
| > > > > virtually
| > > > > all of society, but they had to burn their
| > bras to do it. (Never
| > > could
| > > > > figure why that made a difference, but it
| > apparently did!) When
| > > we
| > > > > give
| > > > > an inch, we lose a mile.
| > > > >
| > > > > I know what you mean, and I don't really
| > disagree with strategic
| > > > > planning, but sometimes being "totally
| > unreasonable" is what make
| > > the
| > > > > difference. If nothing changes, nothing
| > changes.
| > > > >
| > > > > Rick
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > Rudy Caris wrote:
| > > > > >
| > > > > > You are absolutely correct Rick.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > But let's go about asserting our rights with
| > a measure
| > > > > > of reason, and not stand on all of our
| > rights, all of
| > > > > > the time: Unless of course we are sure that
| > we will win
| > > > > > and advance the cause for all of us. o.k?
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Lost ground is harder to regain.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Rudy
| > > > > > .
| > > > > > .
| >
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