i have been off line because the t3 line went down.

it is the same everywhere kyle. the big machines are being dropped, but,
what is going to happen when it doesnot work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cleveland, Kyle E. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:31 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Off topic: An historic moment in time


Yeah, there were several high-level languages that would let you call in
assembler subroutines.  I liked OS/370 assembler; I guess that's why I ended
up in Systems instead of Applications.

IBM is trying to save their mainframe biz with all of the UNIX and
web-server stuff--a great idea, but a little too late, I think.  There's a
whole generation of 20 and 30-somethings who couldn't spell IBM if their
life depended on it--and don't want to know!  We're fighting that battle
here.  Our largest legacy apps have 14K+ users and the powers that be have
decided to buy an off-the-shelf replacement and run it on those "leetle,
itty-bitty" boxes that have "Intel Inside" stamped on the system unit.  It
would be funny if it weren't for the fact that my Help Desk is going to have
to support it.

There's a big push to get rid of the whole "raised-floor" environment.
Pretty short-sighted, if you ask me....but they didn't ask me.  :-(

Better get back to working on my resume'........


-Kyle

-----Original Message-----
From: Barber, Kenneth L. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 9:17 PM
To: 'Cleveland, Kyle E. '
Subject: RE: Off topic: An historic moment in time


 well, i have used octal also, and i have programed in assembly language
too. i liked it. you had to be careful because the computer did what you
said. no questions. you were god to it. so many people were goofing up and
destroying stuff that gsa finally ordered the whole div. to quit calling in
assembler. the old g.e. and honeywells would let you call assembler right in
the middle of a cobol program. mighty powerful.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cleveland, Kyle E.
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: 2/19/2002 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic: An historic moment in time

With all of the emphasis on computers in schools you would thing that
hex,
octal and binary would be taught in the U.S. public schools.  From what
I've
seen, though, kids are being taught to be "users" instead of having an
understanding of how low-level code works.  There are very few assembly
language coders out there, and the numbers are dwindling rapidly.  What
do
you expect, though, from a profession that prefers MacOS over
DOS/Windows?
(Gonna catch hell from Booby over that one!  <g>)

-----Original Message-----
From: Barber, Kenneth L. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:30 PM
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Subject: Re: Off topic: An historic moment in time


yes, if i have to. but, i try not to have to. i learn to do hex dumps
and a
few others.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cleveland, Kyle E. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Off topic: An historic moment in time


Don't ya remember how to convert binary to decimal, Ken?  Must be a
Systems
Programmer thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barber, Kenneth L. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:42 PM
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Subject: Re: Off topic: An historic moment in time