Ron. Agreed!

Rudy
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> I would agree, but lets try to keep the info apolitical as much as possible.
>
> Ron Stewart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rudy Caris [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
>
>
> Funny you should mention that.  Someone just brought up
> that very point and question to me before you posted
> David.  Yes, information and technology coupled together
> on this board should count.
>
> Rudy
> .
> .
> .
> > what about information, does that count?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Jones" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: January 12, 2001 2:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
> >
> >
> > The name of this organization is EASI, "Equal Access to Software and
> > Information."  I am open to any point of view concerning access to
> > software
> > and information.  However, EASI  is filling up each day with email
> > that has
> > nothing to do with technology or providing the crucial electronic
> > tools
> > necessary for individuals with disabilities to compete effectively in
> > the
> > 21st  century.  If you want to relive the past, do it on your own
> > time.
> >
> > Richard Jones
> > Assistant Director
> > Disability Resources for Students
> > Arizona State University, Main
> > 480-965-1234
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From:   Rudy Caris [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent:   Friday, January 12, 2001 12:05 PM
> > To:     [log in to unmask]
> > Subject:        Re: Law penalizes the able?
> >
> > No doubt, and I understand the point of the argument and
> > what is being said.
> >
> > The arena where our battles should be fought however,
> > has a whole new set of rules, and is not given to
> > emotional pleadings, grandstanding, or such things.
> >
> > I picked one fight that took seven years to conclude.
> > As a result, many disabled today are enjoying some of
> > their rights they would otherwise not have had.
> >
> > Conversely, there have been issues where I chose NOT to
> > rattle the cages of the powers that are.
> >
> > The sympathetic vote is a powerful ally that should not
> > be abused or overused as the case might be.
> >
> > Indulging in that practice only serves to desensitize
> > our "friends" who can help us in our battles.  Which
> > indeed they are.
> >
> > Rudy
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > > Yes, you do have to pick your fights. Selma Alabama was chosen for a
> > reason
> > > I do believe, as was Montgomery. I don't want to get this wrong
> > though,
> > and
> > > disappoint my former professor (right Norm). On the other hand
> > though, you
> > > can't be so quiet as to have the other side nickel and dime you to
> > death.
> > > Can't wine about everything. But there does come a time when some
> > one can
> > > take only so much.
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
> > > "Practice means nothing. Games mean everything."
> > >     -- Thurmond Moore
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: David Poehlman <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:21 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
> > >
> > >
> > > > yes, it makes a difference.  the disabled is a bit different than
> > > > either of those you describe.  for one thing, we don't have the
> > > > choices that any of them did due to functional limitations.
> > > >
> > > > This is the 21st century the last I looked.  The backlash against
> > us
> > > > over stuff like this can be more detramental than the present
> > reality.
> > > > if you have 100 guood cases, the one bad one that you have will
> > wipe
> > > > all the good of them away.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rick Sinclair" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: January 11, 2001 4:03 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rudy,
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, squeaky wheels get the grease.  Neither the
> > black
> > > > movement, nor the womens' movement, had much success until they
> > > > started
> > > > raising an unholy ruckus that got media attention.  The womens'
> > > > movement
> > > > was a phenomenal result, actually changing the perspective of
> > > > virtually
> > > > all of society, but they had to burn their bras to do it. (Never
> > could
> > > > figure why that made a difference, but it apparently did!)  When
> > we
> > > > give
> > > > an inch, we lose a mile.
> > > >
> > > > I know what you mean, and I don't really disagree with strategic
> > > > planning, but sometimes being "totally unreasonable" is what make
> > the
> > > > difference.  If nothing changes, nothing changes.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rudy Caris wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You are absolutely correct Rick.
> > > > >
> > > > > But let's go about asserting our rights with a measure
> > > > > of reason, and not stand on all of our rights, all of
> > > > > the time:  Unless of course we are sure that we will win
> > > > > and advance the cause for all of us.  o.k?
> > > > >
> > > > > Lost ground is harder to regain.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rudy
> > > > > .
> > > > > .
> > > > > .
> > > > > > Rudy Caris wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "3.      Reasonable modifications refers to the hundreds
> > > > > > > of thousands of disabled persons world wide, who are
> > > > > > > just barely trying to survive day-by-day to meet
> > > > > > > their "basic needs, and the necessaries to sustain their
> > > > > > > lives."  Golfing is the furthest thing from their
> > > > > > > minds.  Whom-so-ever, is kidding who?"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nobody is kidding anyone.  This is a real case.  Casey Martin
> > is a
> > > > > > professional golfer, that is what he does.  The golf course is
> > his
> > > > > > workplace, and "reasonable accommodation" - a golf cart - is
> > not
> > > > > > unreasonable on the face of it.  If they feel its an
> > advantage,
> > > > make
> > > > > > carts available to the whole field!  I am sure it would cut
> > down
> > > > on the
> > > > > > interminable shots of some pro slowing walking up the 18th to
> > make
> > > > his
> > > > > > final putt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think its a mistake to consider the law only applies to the
> > > > worst off
> > > > > > of the disabled.  It should be simply a cost of doing
> > business,
> > > > without
> > > > > > having to wring pity from the hearts of onlookers, to be
> > > > accommodated.
> > > > > > The day the White House needs a wheelchair ramp or a TTY to
> > > > accommodate
> > > > > > the President, we will know we have won.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rick Sinclair
> > > > > > SNA
> > > >