In a message dated 8/26/01 5:01:23 PM, matesz <[log in to unmask]> writes:

<< <<Here is what Cordain has to say about vinegars:
"Vinegar is a very bad idea for autoimmune patients as well because of its
influence upon tight junction physiology in intestinal epithelia.">>
 >>

I know in Neanderthin, Ray also mentions the ban on vinegar, but at the
moment I seem to have misplaced the book. I have a special fondness for
vinegar and will have to deal with giving it up. I assume it is not Paleo
because most vinegars are made from grains? What about apple cider vinegar?
Is that made from anything other than apples? Rachel, since you are in direct
contact with Cordain, can you shed any further light on vinegars?

This is of particular interest to me, because, although I do not have Lupus,
MS, RA, or any other "major" autoimmune disease, I have recently been
diagnosed as Celiac, and feel this may have some influence on my CFS. I have
been pretty much Paleo for a few years,(although I had not given up vinegar)
and was doing pretty well, until relapsing this summer. As I discussed a few
weeks ago, menopause may be a factor, but I'm wondering just how big a part
vinegar does play in this scenario.

So, the vinegar ban would mean no mayonnaise, (except homemade, using lemon
juice instead of vinegar) no mustard, no pickles or sauerkraut. Once I saw
sauerkraut and pickles in the HFS made with only salt and no vinegar. I'll
have to give them a try, for when I get a "sour" food craving.

Sheryl, the link you provided about lectins is very intersting. It lists
numerous seemingly divergent diseases as being responsive to a lectin free
diet, particularly those of an autoimmune nature. It mentions vinegar too,
but doesn't go into detail about it.

Again, I am curious about exactly the effect that vinegar has on the "tight
junctions". Is it because it is made from grains, or something else entirely?
And what about apple cider vinegar?

Thanks,
Maddy Mason
Hudson Valley, NY