Hallo Peter,

Please could You post an URL where we can find some information about the
national project for Web Accessibility in the Netherlands. If it possible I
would prefer the information in English

We are interested in what other countries do about the Web Accessibility. We
are in Switzerland just at the beginning of the process of putting some
disambility low in place.

Petra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Verhoeven" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: What is the problem with accessible pop-up windows?


> Hi,
>
> BTW: such guidelines like about popup have not an priority 1 indication.
> These priority indications from the WAI, cause that accessibility is
> defined like checking priority 1. In the netherlands we have a national
> project where web sites are checked only on priority 1. Also section 508
> is highly based on priority 1 and some priority 2 issues.
> These priorities does not include low vision issues. So, it does not
> help people having low vision and a lot of elderly people.
>
> If a web site is accessible it does not say much about usibility. For
> example www.microsoft.com/enable is accessible, but not usable. 100
> links on one page is too much. The structuring on that page is visible,
> but with a screen reader I read the text from top to bottom, column by
> column. A navigation where I can first select the category and after
> that the link I'm interesting in, is much usable.
>
> I also see a lot of web sites, where I must fill out a form. After
> clicking the Submit button I get a new page with an error message,
> telling me to go back because I made mistakes. After clicking the Back
> button in my browser I can start again with filling out the form fields,
> because they all became empty.
>
> As user of a screen reader and magnifier I prefer JavaScript bases PopUp
> message boxes, including a clear title and error message.
> In my opinion there is not any problem with PopUps if they are
> functional and play a role in the interaction with the user. How many
> popups are there in Windows?
>
> An advertisement PopUp is never fuctional in the interaction with the
> user and for users of screen readers very fustrating.
>
> Regards Peter verhoeven
> Internet : http://www.magnifiers.or (The Screen Magnifiers Home Page)
>
> Ross Eadie wrote:
> >
> > I can understand the need to use a pop up window with an error
condition.
> > I would not subscribe to the need for knowledge about navigation in
these
> > error situations.  Usually, the error condition is described in the
> > dialogue with only two options okay and details.  The dialogue needs to
> > explain how to address the problem as well.  If the user presses okay,
the
> > browser would take you back to the problem application, hopefully
placing
> > the user in the mistaken field or control.  I should say, not a problem
as
> > long as the dialogue is more accessible than the Windows error dialogues
> > where you cannot read them a second time with your voice outputs reading
> > commands.  If the pop up or new window is to take you to a different web
> > page, there is a necessity to explain to the user before taking such new
> > window action.  My two cents, anyway.
> >
> > At 12:48 PM 11/4/02 , you wrote:
> > >       Alan,
> > >
> > >       The big issue with pop-up windows (having been in this
discussion
> > >in the W3C) is one of location and navigation. For "blind navigation,"
> > >the two important aspects are knowing where you currently are
> > >(location), and knowing how to get from where you are to where you want
> > >to be (navigation). Pop-up windows take the focus of the browser from
> > >the window where you think you are, and suddenly drop you into an
> > >unexpected place. The result is disorientation, and often a failure to
> > >provide navigation back to where you want to be.
> > >
> > >       Imagine that you are leaving your front door to go to work. You
> > >forgot your lunch on the kitchen counter, so your magic door decides
> > >that you should be back in the kitchen to get your lunch. It doesn't
> > >tell you that it's going to do this, just, boom, there you are.
> > >
> > >       As a sighted person, you would know that something odd had
> > >happened, because your refrigerator is not in your front yard.  But if
> > >it was the middle of the night, and this happened, you might crash into
> > >the refrigerator because you expected the sidewalk to your garage to be
> > >there.
> > >
> > >       You would be very disoriented, and have a difficult time
figuring
> > >out what had happened.  Hence, pop-up windows (and magic doors) are bad
> > >things because then confuse both location and navigation.
> > >
> > >       Denis Anson, MS, OTR
> > >       Computer Access Specialist
> > >       College Misericordia
> > >       301 Lake St.
> > >       Dallas, PA 18612
> > >       email: [log in to unmask]
> > >       Phone: 570-674-6413
> > >
> > >
> > >       > -----Original Message-----
> > >       > From: * EASI: Equal Access to Software & Information
> > >       > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alan Cantor
> > >       > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:41 PM
> > >       > To: [log in to unmask]
> > >       > Subject: What is the problem with accessible pop-up windows?
> > >       >
> > >       > I have a question about WCAG 1.0:
> > >       >
> > >       > 10.1: Until user agents allow users to turn off spawned
> > >windows, do
> > >       > not cause pop-up or other windows to appear and do not change
> > >the
> > >       > current window without informing the user.
> > >       >
> > >       > What problems are there with operating-system produced pop-up
> > >       > windows? Let's say a user enters data onto a form on a
> > >web-based
> > >       > application. The use hits the submit button, the data is
> > >validated,
> > >       > and is found to contain an error. If javascript pops an error
> > >       > message, there will be accessibility problems. But if Windows
> > >draws
> > >       > a dialog box to report the error (with an appropriate title
> > >bar,
> > >       > message text, and standard pushbuttons) is this a problem?
What
> > >       > techniques are more accessible than an accessible pop-up
> > >window?
> > >       >
> > >       > Alan
> > >       >
> > >       >
> > >       > Alan Cantor
> > >       > Project Manager
> > >       > Strategic e-Government Implementation
> > >       > e-Government, OCCS
> > >       > 416-212-1152
> > >       > [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > ---
> > Ross Eadie
> > Voice:  (204) 339-5287
>
>