On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:13:18 -1000, Erik Hill <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I have a food database so extensive that it actually lists roasted
>beaver, and several other ways of preparing beaver.  Note that beaver is
>also rather high in vitamin B12.  Game meats of various types are up
>there too.

Roasted beaver? Which database is it? Where can I get it?

btw:
B12: not a problem for vegetarians, but for vegans,
according to http://www.veganoutreach.org/health/b12.html .
It seems also to be synthesized in very small amounts in gut reagions where
it is absorbable.
B12-depletion goes quicker when much fat is eaten, because bile contains it.
For a low-fat vegan lower amounts may be sufficient.

According to USDA data 250g beef should be enough for the 5 ug RDA.
Or 100g Rabbit.
If it is absorbed.
What Ben reported to be disputable in some cases.
If you had a malabsorption then you'd not be able to eat enough of beef
or beaver.

>What was the other one?  B6?  Lesse...
>
>The highest one (B6 / calorie) is, um...  well, it's this:
>ORANGE-FLAVOR DRK,KRAFT,TANG SUGAR FREE LO CAL DRK MIX

I think it's a good idea to make reports "by calorie",
to see which amount one could get within the 2400 kcal zone.
However if you compare "SUGAR FREE" items, then I think it's pointless.

I think for queries we should use per-kcal values.
But discard some items impossible to eat.
That would be very voluminous or difficult to digest items.
I suggest to discard items which less than 5% RDA *per 100 grams*.
And of course synthetically sweetened items.


>  The
>vast majority of the top contenders for both B12 and B6 in terms of
>nutrient level/calorie are paleo.

Don't forget folate, B3, and B1.
I think for homocysteine folate was important.
Unless you want to eat livers everyday, enough of fresh green should
be the right for folate.
How would you eat b1? It leeches out into water and is decreased by heat.

>Of course, one could always become a Tangatarian.

Some seeweed I do like. Nori.

Amadeus

Don, of course it was nonsense of the reporter to assume
vitamin B12 from fruit and to call homocysteine a amino acid.